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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Aaw, go on - I don't want to have to go out and buy it just to see what's made you so angry!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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[stir] Is it because they missed Radstadt off flangesax? [/stir]
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What? Is it a list of the top 5 Austrian resorts for scoring cocaine? 
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Isn't it inevitable if mags/newspaper supplements persist in listing "Top 5"s like this (although Kaunertal is an unusual inclusion). The Top 5 will always be the Top 5 as they tend to be the biggest or most talked about and thus self perpetuate themselves as "Top 5".
A better article would be the "Most Improved" or "Up and Coming" resorts. But then that would require cutting edge, original journalism rather than the reproduction of "advertoral" press releases from the big guys 
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flangesax, maybe i'm just being naive, but what exactly is wrong with the info in the article? it's information gained from the WSG website. granted, it's not a "top 5" of snow lover resorts in austria (therefore, won't necessarily include lesser known resorts), but the wsg site is catering for a very specific market, as is whitelines magazine.
have you actually looked at the wsg site to understand what it's all about? from my understanding, it was set up with the aim of providing very specific information to snowboarders i.e. what type of lifts, what kind of split for beginner/intermediate/advanced riders and people can report their own findings if they conflict with the information on the site.
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I should probably STFU and not comment, but the brief was for 5 top resorts which are known the the Britsih audience broken down into the park, pow, piste sections (similar to my WSG website), and there was no discussion on specific attributes ie, top-5 freeride resorts etc . Austria has some fantastic small resorts and Kaunertal is one which these days holds the UK snowboard tests at the end of the season, so i felt it a little leftfield but justified in its inclusion, so that the list wasn't just 5 big area resorts. My/WSG writing style can polarise, but there are plenty of places you can read more staid reviews, and I try and offer something different. Shame you didn't like it, and i'll be working on developing a thicker skin over the next few months unless the articles get dropped ...
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Have not read it yet, however WL has been the best boarding mag for 3/4 seasons or longer. Obviously its my opinion but document and onboard are a mile off WL articles (although I still find myself buying them every now and then) and snowboard uk gave up trying!
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wsgsteve, Welcome and thanks for the comments.
How is the new book coming? Will it be published this month?
Sorry but I could not resist to ask. I was quite disappointed we did not get it last year but I hope I can buy one in a few weeks ! 
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wsgsteve, By the way I find all the reviews in WSG very, very good!
The only pity it is not updating much, even the website seems to have rather old info.
Although I've just seen new reviews of Flachau and Flachauwinkl for example. Nice
Keep it up!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Cheers Tom, without trying to hijack this post, i've had to put the 12th edition on hold indefinitely as we just cannot afford to produce it at the moment. We lost our major advertisers and then all the book shops have been squeezing more and more margin out of what they are prepared to buy it for. I'm a bit gutted as i'd splashed out on a new design but i didn't want to just re-print the same content, and it really needed a big overhaul and people will only do so much work for a few lift passes. It took me about 5 months of the year to put a new edition out (excluding the best bits which is obv visiting the resorts) and all my nicely paid freelance IT work dried up, so everything has been working against me!
We have diversified and launched the first book in our new snow-search series which is on Japan (award winning no less ...), and are now developing more in the series, but an we can only do an annual guide if we are able to get a sponsor with some deepish pockets. There is tons of new stuff on the WSG website though, and we are really focusing on that at the moment, but i agree that its not always obvious what has been updated.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Samerberg Sue, which links are you referring to? try this one for austria which lists all the resorts reviewed in (you guessed it) austria.
edit: ps. welcome to  wsgsteve!
Last edited by Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name: on Wed 6-10-10 17:17; edited 1 time in total
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I'll get a bit geeky - i think its having problems with your IP address Sue, bang goes my evening watching the telly ... it'll be working by the morning. Feel free to remove all that debugging nonsense from the post, i really should get a prettier error message!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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wsgsteve, sorry if that is a problem for you. I copied and pasted the message I got so that people, including you, could see it was a genuine error report.
The links seem to be working fine now, but I'm on a different IP address. Usually when our work network blocks a web-site we get a totally different message, telling us to talk to our Network Administrator.
Tom W, sherlock235, I can now read the pages - I was using the links in the preceding posts and always getting the same message, so I tried the link to the magazine in wsgsteve's signature line - same message naturally.
Whilst I agree that the selection is "interesting" to say the least, maybe as a magazine you should also be introducing people to the opportunities offered by other areas. Just because they are not yet known in the UK, should not exclude them from a selection purporting to be about "The Top 5 in country X, Y or Z"
Then again, I prefer my ski areas not to be overrun, so maybe we'll just keep our best tips to ourselves   
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Samerberg Sue, the wsg website and whitelines magazine are two separate entities. the wsg website is actually quite extensive in its coverage (e.g. 96 resorts in austria!) of resorts around the world. i imagine a lot of work went into getting it all set up.
(and i can tell you it's not an easy exercise to find out even basic info about resorts around the world as i'm in the middle of doing that myself at the moment .)
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Cheers Tom, without trying to hijack this post, i've had to put the 12th edition on hold indefinitely as we just cannot afford to produce it at the moment. We lost our major advertisers and then all the book shops have been squeezing more and more margin out of what they are prepared to buy it for. I'm a bit gutted as i'd splashed out on a new design but i didn't want to just re-print the same content, and it really needed a big overhaul and people will only do so much work for a few lift passes. It took me about 5 months of the year to put a new edition out (excluding the best bits which is obv visiting the resorts) and all my nicely paid freelance IT work dried up, so everything has been working against me!
We have diversified and launched the first book in our new snow-search series which is on Japan (award winning no less ...), and are now developing more in the series, but an we can only do an annual guide if we are able to get a sponsor with some deepish pockets. There is tons of new stuff on the WSG website though, and we are really focusing on that at the moment, but i agree that its not always obvious what has been updated. |
Steve, it is a real shame as the book is brilliant. I almost pre-booked it a few days ago on amazon as they were still showing October release date 
I hope you it will work out soon.
PS I spend lots of time checking resorts info etc. so if there is a way I could somehow contribute to your website (updating piste maps, pictures, resort news or other basic data) - please pm me and I would be more than happy to do it - obviously for free!! Thanks
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I wouldn't dispute Mayrhofen, St Anton, Ischgl and Saalbach/Hiterglemm being in the top 5. They are big and do have a lot to offer.
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Hi luigi, i've some bad news for you - i'm about halfway through an updated Val Gardena review, and there will be no more Mr Bartelski comments, but i'll try and stick something controversial in there just for you!
Samerberg Sue, i think i've sorted that issue with the site you were having, i'd love to know from you if it now works.
Tom W, Expect a PM very soon, and i am always looking for people to contribute and there are some great benefits to those you deliver the goods.
sherlock235, Agreed it's a nightmare collecting all the stats, i've developed a system so the resorts do most of that work directly these days. There are some content feeds you can license to save all the pain, contact Patrick Thorne at Snow365.com
flangesax, Just out of interest, what would your top-5 resorts be in Austria, and by top-5 lets say the best overall places to take a mixed group of people who have never visited this fine country?
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wsgsteve, dude.. I'm not gonna disclose that.. afterall I don't get paid for it!
Again, just to go over my point... why do the Brits consider these the top 5 resorts in Austria.. because 4/5 are the top destinations for tour operators... so that is where you are taken to on holiday which then casts the opinion that they are 'the best'.
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wsgsteve, here's my five that slipped under the UK radar, in no particular order:
Damuls-Mellau-Faschina 98km
Serfaus-Fiss-Ladis 187km
Konigsleiten-Wald-Zillertal Arena 166km
Kals-Matrei-Grossglockner 110km
Nassfeld-Hermagor 110km
But that's not going to sell any holidays for the sponsors..............
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flangesax, I thought you might have come back with Schladming, Obertauren, Flachau etc ...
I'm far from certain but i would say Kitzbuel and Kaprun/Zell am See would rank as two of the most popular destinations for UK visitors along with St.Anton, Mayrhofen & Saalbach. It would be interesting to see a definitive list of the most popular austrian resorts for UK visitors.
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wsgsteve, that can be easily done as the tourist office in Austrian towns keep these records when they process tourist tax. This is then published every year with the percentages of each country... so there you go... do a bit of research and see what you can come up with.. I'm not because I am not a journalist who may bother to do some research.
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I just wish that the mag delivered what the headline promised.