 Poster: A snowHead
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Am very keen on buying an Osprey Kode daypack, probably the 30L size but would consider the 22L. Do fellow snowHeads have any experience/tips/advice/comments on (a) the different sizes of Kode on offer and (b) any other daypacks - both Osprey and non-Osprey - which are good for a day's skiing. It is specifically a reasonably sized daypack with skicarry capability I'm considering, nothing bigger. Once again, thanks in advance for the knowledge.
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30l is pretty big for a daypack unless you are carrying skins, rope etc
the kode looks pretty nice but i have no direct experience of them. i've been using a black diamont covert (with avalung) for the last few seasons. it's a decent pack and has been updated in the last season or so - look out for discounts on holder ones. it's quite minimalist but has all the stuff i need
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Arno, Do you think 30L is OK if you are carrying skin's ropes etc. for day touring?
I have to buy one, don't want something as large as 40L (as also recommended.)
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I have the 22L in large size (which is actually 24L). It's very comfortable on my 6'4" frame. It has enough room to carry the essentials, but not much more. The ski carry system is easy to use and the straps seem to support them well without too much strain as the pack fits so well.
All depends what you want to do really. If you're looking just for a back pack to carry sandwiches and juice in then i'd say there's just as good cheaper alternatives out there. If you're looking for a well made pack that can carry skis, has a wet gear compartment, easy access, can carry a shovel and probe plus a few other bits and pieces then the kode is good pack. there's probably better out there though if you can afford them. One thing i like that is a good touch is the way the straps pull to bring the bag snug on your back and the inbuilt safety whistle which is a nice wee touch.
make sure you try on the packs to get the correct fit though.
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david@mediacopy, my covert is 32l and i used that for an overnight including glacier travel. it was a bit tight but OK. i am quite big so spare clothing takes up more space than smaller people! i went on a week-long hut to hut tour with someone who used the same pack for that. that would be too small for me. i use a 38l pack (Marmot La Meije - best touring pack ever IMO) for hut to hut touring
i generally think it is good discipline to have a slightly too small pack. you tend to fill any space you have.
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Shoogly - you're telling me what I want to hear - sounds like we're about the same size in torso length too. A S&R sales bloke told me that Osprey tends to understate its capacity sizings which matches with your comment.
Arno - good point on load discipline but before giving in to temptation to pop in the kitchen sink, I always try and imagine how the load will feel six hours, many miles and vertical later...
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Arno,
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Too true.
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I have no problems with the BD Covert 32, and doubt I'd go smaller for any offpsite pack, just to put it out there. Obviously the avalung is a bonus too, but I've used it solidly for 1 season + 8 weeks skiing + a year of everyday use (minus the 8 weeks) and it doesn't have a single sign of wear n tear... Pretty bomber IMHO.
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david@mediacopy, I have an Osprey somewhere which has the "all round" zip - it's only a 20L and it is fine for a day's touring. 2 things I found important - it has very easy access for layering/de-layering and, forbid, if I had to get at my shovel and probe, they're right there too. If it's just for day trips, you don't need a great deal, do you?
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Thanks all - based on your comments, the 22L will do me fine. Decision made SBS (Sorted By SnowHeads)!
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under a new name, If it were solely my choice it would be something like a 20L. Walking up hill is hard enough  However there may be some shared equipment to be shared among the group, hence the need for a bit extra.
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I use a Black Diamond 22l covert. Very adequate for me as an off-piste day sack - and it carries skis OK. I haven't used it for touring, not do I carry rope /harness in it, but I do carry shove and probe.
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You know it makes sense.
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I can recommend the Haglofs 25l pack - powder surf I think it's called. Used it for several weeks and it's excellent. Well built, decent ski carrying, comfortable and pockets in all the right places. I think only one shop over here sells their stuff, although I might be wrong
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Another vote for Kode 22l - it's a great piece of kit - I sourced mine from sport Conrad who have a wider range of colours than most UK outfits. All Osprey stuff comes with a lifetime guarantee and the quality is top notch.
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I have an original heli-pack & it is still going strong, if a little faded, so can certainly attest to the build quality. I do wonder why you need such a big pack for day trips unless you are carrying glacier kit.
I can fit a comprehensive first aid kit, tool kit, shovel, probe, skins, water etc etc in my little heli-pack.
The thing to watch for with smaller packs is whether they still have a decent carrying system. Look for decent wide straps, a proper hip belt & a chest strap.
Its going to be heavy when you have skis strapped to it.
Also a carrying handle on the top is really useful in cable cars & helicopters.
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This is worth reading, it's climbing related but the salient points apply here: http://bobwightman.co.uk/climb/alp-gear.php
I could get all the gear I needed for Verbier-Zermatt into a heli-pro admittedly with careful packing but not so careful it took more than a minute or two to get it all in.
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Alan McGregor, I just bought the lighter 20l Dakine Heli Pro as the 15l mountain bike pack I had been using was a little over stuffed with avi kit, food and spare layer. The ski carry system will be a god send too as fatter skis are not easy to plod up ridges with.
I have to admit that for climbing I do prefer a 35l extendable to 45. If you have a long walk in it does make life a little easier and for winter routes it'll take a duvet jacket and bivi bag.
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Got a 20l Dakine Heli Pro in a sale last year. Certainly well made, but a bit heavy and with lots of dangly bits to catch in chair lifts. Fits snugly to back and feels very secure.
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welshskier, Did you get the standard or the DLX version... it's a bit heavier... 700g as opposed to 1500g?
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Alan McGregor, I've a Heli-pack too. Excellent and still going strong.
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Scarpa, Dunno - weighed it and it's 1500g. Back is well padded and acts like a back protector (I think!).
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welshskier, Yeah.. that's the higher spec'd version. Lighter one is half the weight but no back protection.
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While we're on the gear selection subject, any recommendations on altimeters ?
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Jimmjimm - thanks for the tip and the link to the Avalung version. I'm kinda settled on the Kode and the 22l size will do I all I need I think. ( I reserve the right to completely rethink that statement if I ever find myself buried under six feet of fast settling avalanche debris). Cheers
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Arno, I've been checking out the 32L covert and it looks pretty tempting. A bit lighter than the other options, and cheaper (sans Avalung) than my other choice, the Dakine Poacher.
Do you happen to know if it's possible to retro fit the Avalung when funds allow ?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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pretty sure the answer is no.
you can get a separate avalung but that has its own harness which adds a bit of faff if you're taking layers on and off
it's a good pack though
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Arno, Cheers, I think I'll give it a go.
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