 Poster: A snowHead
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My missus got a new pair of boots from Footworks in Chamonix in Feb, however last week in Courchevel she had problems with her right foot. She got the boot blown out in 1850 and the guy there remoulded her inner.
However on checking the inner on my return he's done a poor job, the heel area is all wrinkled.
So it needs doing again. As far as I can tell it a "simple" job of reheating the inner, then pulling up on the inner as she forces her heel down into the boot, clamping it all up tightly and waiting 15 mins.
Question is, can I reheat the liner myself at home and remould it?
the liner in question is a red and grey Scarpa one, it has code 10511 Mondo 260 written on the back of it.
cheers,
greg
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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gregh, probably not, the wrong heating will distort the liner, better to get it done properly
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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rats!
The liner is a Scarpa one, http://www.bdel.com/gear/thermo_liners.php
Can any ski shop do this, ie Ellis Brigham at XScape Castleford, or do I need to find a Scarpa approved/trained one?
Also on closer inspection both of the "overlap" sections are also wrinkled, which surely cannot be helping!
regards,
Greg
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gregh, should be ok at any decent shop, most have the correct gear
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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gregh, the best instructions ever posted on the Internet on how to cook those are over on Telemarktips.com, look for Cooking with Big Tim. It is actually more of a 1.5-man job (not counting the victim .. uh.. moldee) especially if you bother to prepare with toe spacers, toe cap, and nylon stocking to ease entry into the boot shell when the liners come out of the oven.
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Greg
I have moulded the red/grey scarpa inner boots at 180C for 12 minutes in a fan oven. Make sure the boot does not touch any hot metal bits in the oven apart from the tray it is resting on. If you need more space in the toe section by all means use the end of a thick sock and put cardboard spacers between toes. It is not rocket science. Do the wrinkles cause problems?
Scarpa suggest you can remould the linings up to 5 times without problems, other people say twice. A word of warning, thermo linings do not adjust a boot that much, if the boot feels like it is the wrong size before moulding then it probably is. I know a lot of experienced folk who have moved to thermo inners in the last year who have ended up with boots too small or too big because they believed what the shop said about the linings moulding to their feet.
David
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greg, not sure where your located, but presuming north (mentioned Xscape Castleford) so you could try these guys
www.skiequipmentuk.co.uk loacted at Kendal
From the website
"Anything Technical train the majority of the trained boot fitters in the UK, running courses both in Kendal and at the Salomon offices in Basingstoke, and this year we ran a course in Austria for Austrians and Poles. We have the most modern fitting machines in the UK and use the most up to date techniques to get the best, most comfortable boot for your feet."
Hope that explains how good these guys are, I have used them on many occaisons and would certainly recommend them.
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Thanks all, very helpful, especially the video!
The reason the guy put these liners in was he wanted to get my wife in a shell slightly smaller, but he decided it would be too tight, so he went to the next size up with a bigger linner to get a snug fit.
I'm not sure if the wrinkes are causing her problems, her left foot fits fine, on her right she was complaining of severe pain under the ball of the foot, which she decided was due to the boot not being wide enough around her toes, which scrunched them up. Hence the blowing out of the sides of the boot to give her toes more room.
cheers,
greg
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gregh
I've got thermofit liners. The art is definately in getting all the wrinkles out both on the inside of the liner and the inside. If you cant find everything you need on 'Cooking with Big Tim' do a search on the Telemark tips talk Forum. There is masses of stuff there about baking your own liners. Here's one as a starter
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I'm not sure that pain under the ball of the foot is always caused by poorly fitting boots. I suspect that sometimes it's due to a lack of ankle flex when skiing, and compensating with flexing at the proximal toe joint instead.
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Kramer, I'm not sure I understand your comment; any chance of smaller words or bigger pictures?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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comprex, in order to make proper carved turns, you need to flex at the ankle, however not everyone does this (Easiski and ssh should be able to back me up here), and instead they flex from the ball of their foot to compensate. This leads to tension on the tendons that hold the foot into an arch shape, and so lead to the pain under the ball of the foot. I know that if I'm not properly ski fit, and I ski hard then I get pain under the ball of my foot when I first start to ski. If I do proper fitness preparation then either I don't get it, or it takes a lot longer for it to come on. I don't think that it has much to do with the fit of my boots, and more to do with my technique and level of fitness.
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Kramer, it sounds as though you're talking about an active pulling up of the big toe? I've noticed I do that when moving about in ski socks, but truthfully when in ski boots I just think of knee-forward to make ankle flex happen. (At least I think it happens, not sure now). What does the tension in the arch area imply about one's balance within the boot?
Part of my confusion stems (sorry) from having been told NOT to heel push in a carve. Which part of the foot then is the return force of the knee going forward and flexing the boot ideally transmitted through?
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You know it makes sense.
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My understanding (and bear in mind that I'm not an instructor), is that the force is meant to go equally through the center of the sole of your boot, which would mean equal pressure on the front and heal of the foot.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Hi Greg,
I had same problem, so here is the best solution: Place the sole first on the warm radiator for 30-45 minutes, then wear the inners around the house foe 15 minutes.
Give full credit to Andrew at www.amg-outdoor.co.uk
Cheers,
Speed.
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Poster: A snowHead
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gregh, Soor to hear that, get it done at Lockwoods for free. They carry our guarentee. 
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