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i didn't want to leave them at such a young age in creche
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No, I wouldn't have either. And I don't think the suggestion of leaving a 6 week old baby at home with grandma would meet with approval from many mothers (or grandmothers, for that matter). But taking grandma with you, to help with child care and keeping mum company (if she's breastfeeding) is a very good idea. Of course, if she's not breastfeeding, grandma could do that much more! Or dad can mind the baby while mum and grandma hit the slopes.
No two babies or pregnancies are the same.
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Everyone is different but we seemed to have no great problems at long distance flights at three weeks taking them Hill walking at about six weeks and on skiing holidays at about four months.
Pretty resilient things babies in all honesty providing you keep them warm fed and clean with the occasional bit of affection you probably won't go far wrong.
If they are breast fed I don't know what the current status is of wet nurses but you could try advertising I reckon.
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| boardiac wrote: |
| fair enough, paulio, but you DID then use examples of flying and taking the kids up the hill during day time. |
Mmm, as examples of scenarios where sensitivity to altitude is sometimes overstated.
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Friends of ours stayed a couple of years ago - baby was about 3 months then. They rented two apartments (granny did the renting so made sure they had two separate but connected ones) in a hotel/residence down the road. That worked out well as mum and granny shared looking after the baby - breast fed I think but also would take a bottle - they would meet up at lunch time and swap baby for lift pass. And occasionally grand-father would also do his turn of walking the baby round the village. The evenings were shared between them as far as baby sitting was concerned, or sometimes baby came too if they all came to dinner with us.
One thing that can be stressful is if you are in a building that is not very soundproof and the babe is crying a lot at night - if just your own family then they just have to put up with it but if with other people, and not in a chalet/hotel full of parents and babies then it might not work.
Once they are a little bit older then the more pairs of hands to help out the better - in our experience anyway - extra uncle or aunt or two, as well as grandparents, to do a bit of dropping off and collecting at ski school, or looking after a one year old for an hour or so over chips and chocolat chaud. Means that everyone can get out and about.
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the babe is crying a lot at night
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that's one of the good things about breastfed babies; it's generally extremely easy to shut them up.
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I wouldn't take a baby that young to a high altitude. I took my 4 1/2 month old and she was ok but you could tell she wasn't quite right. Unless babies are born in the mountains then the altitude affects them. Apparently their lungs aren't mature enough till about six months. If you went you would probably be fine - but I really would not, and I wouldnt do it again even with a 4 1/2 month old (purely as I did think the altitude affected her). For childcare my partner and I went in lessons and one skid the afternoon and the other the morning.
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monkey, all depends on you and mrs Monkey
Our first child was born late December- we went skiing that April in Argentiere and stayed at the hotel at the bottom of the lift.- Quite a bit of good skiing- and Mrs ed came down to feed junior once /twice a day.
More recently third child born Mid March- boys trip for me and oldest son only.
As mentioned by Pam W and Alexandra (who seem really very reasonable people) some people can do this- the question is- can you? You have to be able to tolerate quite a few difficulties; expense, stress, luggage, organisation etc. For you is this worth a ski trip?
For me- almost anything is worth a ski trip- I'd crawl naked over hot coals to go skiing (actually paying for ski trips for a family of 5 is about as fun as crawling naked over hot coals). But what about you and Mrs Monkey? Any ambivalence and there might be problems.
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Any ambivalence and there might be problems.
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Strongly agree. It needs to be a joint priority/decision,with equal responsibility for child care.
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There is no reason you can't travel with an 8 week old baby but with regards to skiing some things like feeding the baby need to be considered.....dad if the baby is breast fed you may not be so good at this!!! Mum can express milk but this isn't always successful especially when the baby is so young but is definitely a possibility.
If you choose to go away I would choose a nice sunny resort, such as Alpe d'Huez that mum and baby can enjoy lost of coffees and hot chocolates (making sure of course that the baby is protected from the sun!) and with plenty of easy walking with baby in pram/front carrier.
You would also need to consider that babies don't always arrive on the expected date!!! you may need to factor in a few weeks leeway!!!
Hope this helps and congratulations!!!!
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We are living in Switzerland and just recently having had a newborn we asked our paediatrician the same thing. He said that as long as the baby doesn't go over 2000m for the few few months they will be ok, and flights are no problem.
This summer we have been up to about 1500m and in truth there was no problems at all, and even clearing the ears didn't seem to be a problem for the baby which was our main concern.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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You know it makes sense.
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Also, adults with sleep disruption generally keep their problems to themselves....
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They won't keep it to themselves if the disruption is from your baby crying for its 03h30 feed each morning.
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In our case our first had colic, which meant she screamed for at least 1hr often longer approx 1hr after each feed (and she fed every 3hrs). This was from 3weeks old until she was 3months old. Our second was the easiest baby ever and rarely even cried.
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Poster: A snowHead
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the babe is crying a lot at night
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that's one of the good things about breastfed babies; it's generally extremely easy to shut them up. |
The thing is until your baby arrives you don't know how he/she will be or what kind of birth (longer recovery if c/section). Not all breastfed babies settle easily. My first child posseted large amounts of every feed and would not settle when he was put down on his back at night presumably as he was uncomfortable with wind. I think it was around 3 months he rolled on to his front and slept a lot better after that. I'd say it was six months before he slept at all well at night. He then developed glue ear and we did not realise at the time he had it and went skiing when he was 10 months. He screamed at night in a shared chalet and it was awful. When we got home we discovered he had an ear infection and that was why he was so unsettled..at the time it appeared he didn't like the travel cot or was unsettled by the different location and being in the creche.
Our second child slept at least 5 hours at night from day 1 and did not have the posset or ear problems and everything was so much easier. In the end we didn't ski again until she was just 3 having had the bad skiing experience with the first child. Had she been our first we probably would have been ok going skiing when she was a baby.
I think if you have grandparents travelling with you to help and are of a laid back disposition you might be ok going skiing with a very young baby. I would recommend staying at a lower altitude resort such as la clusaz where you would be able to take lifts up to the decent snow but the baby would be based at lower altitude. Try and leave it to the latest point to go on the holiday..ideally when the baby is 6 weeks plus as they tend to be more settled by then.
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| snowymum wrote: |
He screamed at night in a shared chalet and it was awful.
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Not as awful as it was the people you shared with, only their only skiing holiday that year.
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Our second child slept at least 5 hours at night from day 1 |
5hrs? That must have been slightly better for those you shared with.
I think it is totally irresponsible to take a very young baby away on a skiing holiday and inflict it on those that want to enjoy peaceful sleep between their days on the mountain.
If people have decided to have children they should also decide to be parents for a few years and not inflict new born children on other people who wish to have a peaceful holiday. Grandparents holding screaming babies doesn't count in mitigation.
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bar shaker, the baby was 10 months old and was ill - they didn't know. Could have happened to a two year old. Should parents not leave the house? A friend of mine was breastfeeding her child in a restaurant (breastfeeding - that thing that all the health advisers make you feel guilty about if you are not doing it ) and she was asked by the restaurant manager to feed the baby in the toilet as another customer had complained. If people dont wish to be impinged upon by others they should not go in a shared chalet. Personally I wouldnt take my kids to a shared chalet but neither would I chose one for myself - could quite easily get a group of noisy drunks 
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bar shaker - your post is incredibly rude and ignorant. We did not take a young baby on a ski holiday. We took a 10 month old on a holiday with a company that specialised in family ski holidays and had their own creche there. Those who did not have children and chose to go to the chalet did so knowing there would be children there. The other people were also barely disturbed as we did not leave our son crying we picked him up and held him most of the night.
We did not take the second child skiing as a baby we took her when she was 3 - can you read?
Last time there was a thread on this subject I recommended not taking a young baby skiing and was shouted down by everyone else saying there was no need to stop skiing for a minute with a young child. If you read the posts on this thread I am in a minority in saying I had a bad experience.
We also enjoy peaceful holidays and do not go out drinking and making a brawl around the resort as some young people without children choose to do.
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bar shaker, I pity you.
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I'd sooner share a chalet with a small baby than with someone who drank a bit too much every night and wanted to share his boorish opinions with half the world, let alone anyone who came in late, drunk and noisy. Children can be ill and unhappy at any age - as can adults; most people are understanding. Not all, evidently. 
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bar shaker, total and utter toss. And ear plugs are cheap.
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| Shimmy Alcott wrote: |
| .....A friend of mine was breastfeeding her child in a restaurant (breastfeeding - that thing that all the health advisers make you feel guilty about if you are not doing it ) and she was asked by the restaurant manager to feed the baby in the toilet as another customer had complained..... |
I am quite surprised how little this nation has progressed in attitudes to breast-feeding since the '70s. We rarely see breast-feeding mums - must be very restrictive for them.
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the nation has progressed more than you may think: your friend may actually be able to sue the restaurant owner for sexual discrimination under the Sexual Discrimination Act 1975...
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bar shaker, I would suggest then that you don't use a child-friendly operator.
Personally I'm offended by noisy asshat boozehounds - horses for courses et al.
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| achilles wrote: |
| I am quite surprised how little this nation has progressed in attitudes to breast-feeding since the '70s. We rarely see breast-feeding mums - must be very restrictive for them. |
A woman breastfeeding in public is like a total eclipse of the sun - a wonderous and beautiful act of the natural world, but you must never stare directly at it.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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ph had a woman breastfeed in the dental chair - while he was treating her  how cool was she?
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We had somebody breastfeeding as they were walking out of the cave on a tour...
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I've seen African women with babies slung on their backs, breastfeeding.
Of course, they don't have the benefit of expensive high tech corsetry through their pregnancy and lactation years. They sling a boob over the shoulder with a Miss Piggy style gesture.
I got politely asked not to breastfeed on a bench in Disney World. I politely told the lad to bog off. I think I also startled a fellow passenger on a long haul Business Class flight but he had chosen a seat on the bulkhead (where they put the carry cots). As there wasn't a cross peep out of the baby for the whole journey (I think the feeding helps avoid ear problems on take off and landing) he was fine.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Shimmy Alcott wrote: |
| .....A friend of mine was breastfeeding her child in a restaurant (breastfeeding - that thing that all the health advisers make you feel guilty about if you are not doing it ) and she was asked by the restaurant manager to feed the baby in the toilet as another customer had complained..... |
I just hope she responding by suggesting that that customer may wish to eat their lunch in the toilets, if they feel it is a hygenic place for somebody to eat their dinner.
Thankfully I have never had any negative comments feeding either of my children, but I know I am just lucky unfortunately.
Getting your child (including babies) to feed (be it from a bottle, beaker or breast), during take off and landing is recommended to stop their ears hurting. It seems to have worked when we have gone on holiday.
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Poster: A snowHead
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snowymum, I did not appreciate that you had gone to a chalet specifically for people with young babies. Anyone staying there should be aware of what they may encounter.
My comments, in this case, are invalid and I apologise.
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Thanks for your post above bar shaker 
Think I might avoid posting on threads about skiing with babies/toddlers in future!
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| Gazzza wrote: |
I was 36 the first time I took a baby on a ski holiday, but I've seen people in their mid-twenties do it too.
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Yer, I'm surprised that, so far, no one has given the obvious answer of 16 years and 9 months.
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Shimmy AlcottMrs Ed has breast fed whilst having her legs waxed...
Last edited by You need to Login to know who's really who. on Wed 8-09-10 20:19; edited 1 time in total
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My brother told me off fairly loudly and publicly when sig. other was lactating down my son's throat in a restaurant we were in.
So I told him to f*ck off, quite loudly and publicly.
True story!
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safer than breastfeeding while the baby had its legs waxed. Especially if it had teeth.
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| Shimmy Alcott wrote: |
| (breastfeeding - that thing that all the health advisers make you feel guilty about if you are not doing it ) |
Right up until baby drops down a line on the growth chart, then you'll be made to feel guilty about not giving formula instead. 
Oh yeah, back on topic. My top tip, go to a place with a kids swimming pool. At least if skiing/boarding doesn't prove doable you'll have something else to fall back on. Babies tend to love being in the swimming pool with their parents.
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| I just hope she responding by suggesting that that customer may wish to eat their lunch in the toilets |
she did!
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Hi all. We took our son skiing when he was 5 months old. We went with Granny and Grandpa and all took turns to look after him during the day. I had expressed lots of milk in the weeks leading up to the holiday which I froze and then transported out to the chalet in a freezer bag (carried in the checked in lugguage). This meant that on the times I was skiing there was milk available if necessary and I would then pump as soon as I could when I came off the mountain. We would always meet up at lunch time and swop baby for lift pass and that meant he was was always able to have a feed from me then.
I had a c section and was 2 weeks late, and I woundn't have been comfortable skiing until he was at least 3 months old from my fitness point of view. To be honest 5 months worked ok, any earlier would have been tricky because of the number of feeds that happened - my son went through growth spurts when I would be constantly feeding for a couple of hours!
We stayed in a chalet but we were put on a seperate floor so any crying couldn't be heard by other guests.
Hope that helps.
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