 Poster: A snowHead
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What are the thoughts on 2 sets of inserts for different bindings? Too many holes?
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scotia, IIRC the inserts create an area stronger than the ski itself, so as long as there's a bit of clearance between the holes you'll be fine.
I'm not sure what that clearance should be though. 
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AltisThanks for the comprehensive feedback. I will definately get my usual ski shop to try these on a pair of expendable skis first
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I'm afraid to disagree with Mosha Marc there. All holes will disrupt the longitudinal fibres / strength of the ski - and these holes are substantially larger than those created by normal binding screws.
My inclination would be to create one set of holes for the preferred binding and then use a cutting board riser plate for the other. I'm planning on doing this to put a tele binding over my Fritschi holes.
Alternatively, see if Jondrums makes the right swap plates:
http://www.bindingfreedom.com/Plates_c2.htm
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Hmmm looked at swap plates but Dukes aren't on the agenda and I wanted to avoid the extra rise.
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| rob@rar, do you have to change brakes when mounting to your op art snowboards? |
Yes, two sets of brakes. Wide ones, and stupidly wide ones.
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| altis wrote: |
| I'm afraid to disagree with Mosha Marc there. |
You should be 
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scotia, I guess it all depends where the holes fall. [Remembers, from years ago, instructions for dinghy masts about fittings.] I would certainly avoid having 4 holes abreast across the width of the ski but if they're all reasonably spread about with at least 1cm between the outsides of the inserts then my guess is you'd be fine. If you're getting down to 3mm or less between them then I'd reconsider.
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What happens if one set of the inserts are left open - do you get moisture leaking in to the ski's core, potentially warping the wood?
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Both the QuiverKiller and BindingFreedom inserts are blind - meaning there is metal across the bottom of the hole. However, you need to be careful round the edge of the insert where it has penetrated the top sheet. Hopefully, they were fitted with generous amounts of Araldite so that there is no route for the water to sneak in. It's probably worth inspecting this from time to time.
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altis, thanks. So if appropriately sealed with Araldite you could have two sets of inserts (provided they are far enough apart)? So two types of binding (alpine and touring perhaps) or two binding positions (one a bit further forward than the other)?
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| altis wrote: |
I'm afraid to disagree with Mosha Marc there. All holes will disrupt the longitudinal fibres / strength of the ski - and these holes are substantially larger than those created by normal binding screws.
My inclination would be to create one set of holes for the preferred binding and then use a cutting board riser plate for the other. I'm planning on doing this to put a tele binding over my Fritschi holes.
Alternatively, see if Jondrums makes the right swap plates:
http://www.bindingfreedom.com/Plates_c2.htm |
but in the case of these kind of inserts, it would make no more impact than a set of bindings mounted in with screws - your tapping the holes screwing in pretty rigid/strong inserts along with some uhu, so even though the holes might be bigger, there should be no (addtional) impact due to the nature of ther inserts. no?
I'm slowly converting over to tele and was even thinking of using the inserts as hole pluggers from the downhill pattern, bit extravagant really but on the basis that they would plug the holes in a much better way than a wood or epoxy plug
no?
all good fun
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| altis, thanks. So if appropriately sealed with Araldite you could have two sets of inserts (provided they are far enough apart)? So two types of binding (alpine and touring perhaps) or two binding positions (one a bit further forward than the other)? |
This is what I see as one of the main advantages
The other, of course, is to be able to use one set of bindings on several pairs of skis (saving $$$$ on Dukes)
I suppose too, that you could set up a ski twice for the same binding, on two different mounting lines - for example, one position for "normal" use, and another set of holes a few cm back for powder days
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You know it makes sense.
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rob@rar, yes:
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200631&highlight=swiss+cheese+inserts
(see especially pic at bottom from Dee Hubbs)
barry, but the ski is not completely rigid. IMV, the problem is that you're introducing more material that is essentially rigid into an item that has been designed to flex smoothly. Ski manufacturers would make the whole thing a lot easier if they inlaid a big thick chunk of plastic in the binding area. They don't 'cos it would mess up their carefully laid strips of differing wood. And I don't think the adhesive properties of even Araldite are comparable with the forces around a binding.
All this wouldn't be necessary if the manufacturers came up with a universal, public domain, rail system. If that ever happens I'll eat my helmet!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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altis, just a minute, you're agreeing with me now.
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Poster: A snowHead
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My Dynaduke plates arrived today, courtesy of the lovely people at Parcelforce who decided to route them through UK Customs .... ggrrrrr.
They feel rock solid and are seriously light. My only concern is how the anodised orange colour will sit against my Preachers (green) and my Wailers (cab yellow!)  Clearly, this is the most important consideration, no?
Will report back on performance post mounting and riding, ooo errr missus.
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this weekend i intend to do all i can to undo spyderjon's good work in fitting inserts in various of my skis. i don't expect to succeed but in the interests of science i will give it a good try
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Arno, I'd be interested to know how you get on.
BTW, I see from their website that Georges Maudit ski shop in Méribel fit inserts. I will go have a chat with them at the weekend to see what experience they have.
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Dynaduke update:
Plates mounted on WDF Preachers. Barons mounted onto plates. Boot centre on line? Tick.
Dynafits mounted on plate? No tick. No disaster though, either. Turns out that the range of adjustment on the TLT Speed heelpiece is not great enough to work with the plates, unless you get lucky with a specific BSL. Have lined up with both the Vertical FT and Vertical ST and all looks fine, so I'll just swap the Speeds for the Verticals and off we go.
So the moral of this story is: the plates definitely work, but not with the TLT Speed.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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zammo, good to know and makes me glad i went with inserts and not plates
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would it be possible to fit these inserts to a new pair of skiboards 4x10 pattern. the boards i want to buy are summit marauders, but due to a long time dispute with the ski company "spruce" summits owner decided not to fit inserts to these boards, basically stopping people from fitting the spruce riser/releasable binding combo. instead summit offer bindings fitted direct to the boards.
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graeme, yes.
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