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I'm sure regular readers of snowHeads will already be aware, through CEM's advice, of the dangers of wearing high heels in respect of reducing ankle movement. So why have these researchers only just discovered this?
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rob@rar, and the case for the defence has just been thrown out 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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That article has reminded me of this woman's absolutely dreadful looking feet I happened to notice one day around the pool area on holiday in Egypt last year. I presumed that her feet looked terrible from constant high heel usage, although I could have been wrong. I couldn't think of any other reason why they were shaped exactly like being in a high heel shoe though, unless it was that  When she walked her toes pointed skywards (from being constantly bent in the position of the high heel shoe I think) and when she wasn't on her feet (i.e lying on her sunbed or something), her feet looked equally strange/contorted.
I couldn't help but notice when I saw these strange looking feet (I was shocked) out of the corner of my eye and wondered what the hell had happened to them.
CEM, is this possible for women's feet to look like this/very strange if they have constantly worn high heels for a long time?
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I should point out also, that the lady in question seemed to have trouble walking a bit, naturally, since her toes weren't on the ground at any point. Perhaps she couldn't actually get them on the ground anymore at the same time her heel was on the ground.
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VolklAttivaS5, perfectly possible, whilst high heels don't actually cause bunions etc they sure as hell accentuate them and speed up the progression... they do however cause a shortening of the gastro-soleus complex
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VolklAttivaS5, I'm not saying it couldn't have been high heels, but I also know 'pointe' ballet dancers can also suffer from severe foot problems later in live if their young lives on 'pointe' are not carefully controlled and monitored, esp. whilst the feet are still growing.
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thefatcontroller, nice one
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CEM, Thanks 
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Megamum, dancers probably have some of the worst feet we see
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CEM, I know its a bit OT (but this is SH!!), but Minimum_1 will probably be given the chance to start on 'pointe' in the next year or two. I expect the exposure to be carefully controlled by her ballet teacher, and I don't want to prevent it (as it was something I dearly wanted to do but never got the chance to), but if you had any information that would inform me about timing and age and how to monitor things, so that I can tell if the dance school are doing things properly I'd be grateful (by PM or on a thread somewhere). Thanks
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Megamum, I can understand that about the dancers and that's a good point. Although, if it was down to that, would her feet not have been straight when they were on the ground, not toes pointing skyward? Or could the dancing cause the toes to point skyward when they shouldn't either?
thefatcontroller, what's wrong with the lady's feet in the picture then? I seem to remember reading something, years ago now, about the binding of Chinese(?) girls feet into a pointed shape. I'm not sure up to how recently this practice was carried out mind you, but it was something along the lines of it was deemed that pointed small feet were a good thing for these girls to have, hence the bindings. As such there are now a lot of elderly/older women with these types of foot deformations from the foot bindings they were made to wear, along with the obvious difficulties with walking. I wonder if the photograph you posted is an example of such perhaps?
CEM, thanks.
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| thefatcontroller, what's wrong with the lady's feet in the picture then? |
She had been to see smallzookeeper 
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You know it makes sense.
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Zipfits ?
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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VolklAttivaS5, Jez, it took you 48 minutes to work that out.  . Gross isn't it but height of fashion in old China.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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thefatcontroller, oi! I only looked at it quickly first time around and didn't really study it. At first glance it kind of looks like growths of some kind, especially when it's in place where you'd never expect to see toes, and you can't see the foot from the top to see that there's only one toe left.
Terrible though isn't it, all that pain and discomfort for the sake of fashion/a belief that girls should have small dainty pointed feet. Poor women. 
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VolklAttivaS5, not the best picture but this http://create.orthobullets.com/pediatrics/4063/cavus-foot is what I think you are describing (not much chance of getting into a ski boot).
Last edited by Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do. on Fri 16-07-10 17:30; edited 1 time in total
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anarchicsaltire, when that one comes in...i am on lunch 
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let's try again 
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Megamum, I danced a lot as a child/teenager and taught ballet- still do the odd bit now. Got to RAD Advanced 1, and was a NBT/Royal Ballet scholar - I was on pointe from 10, and my feet are still in tact. It's really important that she is strong enough to hold her weight using leg/ankle/core muscles. Dance teacher should have her doing all the barrework she will do en pointe but in flat shoes - lots of rises, holding balances etc.
When she gets the pointe shoes, it's vital she has them properly fitted. Most dance shops claim to fit, but just like ski boots, it's vital you go to someone who really understands fittings. If you let me know where in the world you are, I can probably suggest someone, or I'm sure her dance teacher will suggest someone reputable.
Once she is fitted, she should only be dancing in her shoes for maybe 15 minutes at a time, almost entirely on the barre for the first few months. This can gradually be increased as she gets stronger. Tell her not to rush, and not to compare with her friends - some people have really strong arched feet, others take a little longer. Try not to get frustrated if she progresses slower than friends, she will get there and is probably better at another aspect of dance as noone is good at it all.
Keep an eye on shoes getting soft - they start to break down and won't support her. Also watch out for growing out of them - she needs them to fit like a glove. Downside of that is expense. Also, keep toenails clipped short - that can really add to pressure. Tell her to experiment with padding - there are several options, lambswool is a good starter but can bunch up, paper towels can move around. I'm not a fan of the ouch pouch stitched padding as it's a bit bulky and tends to let the younger ones sink and forget to use their muscles. Nothing in the shoe is a good option if she is strong enough, but there's no shame in using a bit of padding at first. Pointe is a lot of fun, but can be painful and is often an anticlimax to start with.
Hope that helps, any questions feel free to message me...it's nice to hear of other skiing dancers!
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anarchicsaltire, thanks for posting those. I can't say they really looked like any of those photos though. In the photos you've posted, it looks like they have suffered from some kind of physical abnormality, whereas this woman's feet looked 'normal' (i.e the toes didn't have the appearance of those in your photos) apart from the toes themselves being bent up all the time from the ball of the foot whether she was sat down, or stood on them. Horrible painted toenails too if I remember correctly. Bleurgh! She looked a bit 'glamour model' so to speak but with terrible, terrible feet. Her and her mate were posing for photos of each other and I remember thinking "I hope her mate realises not to get her feet in".
I am sure it's high heels that have done it, somehow. She did have a fairly unusual walk but then you would do if you were bounding around on just your heels all the time, her ankles didn't seem to have anything wrong with them.
Then again, I didn't get that close. I must have been about 7-8 feet away when I clocked them and saw her walking about around the pool etc. I couldn't help but notice because I'd never seen anything like it in my life.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Well until I read this thread I thought my feet were pretty grim.... I feel better now!
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You know it makes sense.
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pam w, I can't say I've ever worn high heels on that regular a basis, and even more so now as I no longer drive to work, get out of the car, walk a short distance to my office and then just wear them a bit around the office, being sat down most of the day at a desk. Now I walk a lot to and from uni, carrying books/folders etc, so me and everyone else I can think of, come to that, has flat shoes on. I did put some heels on when we last went out, not even that high compared to some, and they were so uncomfortable, especially having not worn any for ages. I couldn't wait to get the bloody things off at the end of the night. I like my feet looking nice as they are anyway.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Climbing shoes can be a bit uncomfortable.. .especially when you have to descend the odd 1k long descent gully 
It's not all bad in the case of high heels though... linked from the first post...
High heels 'may improve sex life'
Hers may be a little on the high side
Wearing higher heels - although perhaps not stilettos - may improve your pelvic floor muscles and in doing so boost your sex life, a study suggests.
An Italian urologist and self-professed lover of the sexy shoe set out to prove that high heels were not as bad for women's health as some suggest.
The shoe has been linked to a range of problems - from corns to schizophrenia.
But in a letter to European Urology, Dr Maria Cerruto said her research showed it was time to stand up for the heel.
She said her study of 66 women under 50 found that those who held their foot at a 15 degree angle to the ground - the equivalent of a two inch heel - had as good posture as those who wore flat shoes, and crucially showed less electrical activity in their pelvic muscles.
This suggested the muscles were at an optimum position, which could well improve their strength and ability to contract.
The pelvic floor muscles are an essential component of the female body. As well as assisting sexual performance and satisfaction, they provide vital support to the pelvic organs, which include the bladder, bowels and uterus.
But they often weaken after pregnancy and childbirth, and as the woman gets older. There are exercises to strengthen them, but Dr Cerruto hopes her findings may eliminate the need for these.
"Women often have difficulty in carrying out the right exercises for the pelvic zone and wearing heels could be the solution," she said.
"Like many women, I like high-heeled shoes," she added. "It's good to know they have potential health benefits."
Gill Brook, a women's health physiotherapist in Bradford, stressed the findings did not suggest that stilettos were a good thing for those keen on improving their pelvic floor function.
"But for women who like a slightly higher heel, these are reassuring findings - although we haven't yet done away with the need for regular exercises to maintain what is such an important part of the female body."
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Ugh! (all the photos). Good trainers or flat shoes with good insoles all the time. I do have some high heels and wear them occasionally, but only when I'm going to be sitting down most of the time!! It's nice to be tall for a change though. 
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