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I'm looking for advice on who makes the lightest all mountain skis, 180 or so length. And also, are White Dot quite a specialised professional extreme type ski or do they also work for the average advanced joe skier?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Do you really mean the lightest? Are you into Rando-racing?
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Goode...you better have a big chequebook though!
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Dynafit too, then in the more mainstream style of brands, indie companies DPS and PM Gear's carbon fibre offerings.
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Big Paua, As rungsp says Goode are very light and expensive. Only experience I have of them is picking them up in the shop, definitely light.
I ski on Whitedots Preacher and Redeemer. I'm no ski legend (yet  but there are still 4 days left this season so watch this space  ). The Preacher is as they describe it, a fat all mountain ski. If you want a ski for the powder that will be very happy on piste and everywhere in between it is the business, very versatile and a lot of fun. The Redeemer is a really great ski. So easy to steer and floats like a cork. It is unbelievably good on piste but it is not the ski you would pick to ski there all day. In other words, if you will be skiing on piste between off-piste runs you can still rip and have a blast en route, you certainly won't have to fight with it. Whilst waiting for the off-piste to soften, I skied very firm pistes on the Redeemers this week and really enjoyed them. Both skis are fat so slower edge to edge on piste than a skinny ski (stating the obvious) but once they are on edge they are very happy to hold it.
While the Redeemer is certainly a specialised powder ski, it also excels in all soft snow, and is much, much better than you think it should be on piste. Although average joe skier is not who it was designed for, it is a very forgiving ski, so not one for him (her) to be afraid of. It does what Shane Mc Conkey said when talking about how he first experimened with rockered skis; it works with the skier not against them. They might even make this average joe skier look better than he is but, ssshhhh dont tell everyone
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| altis wrote: |
| Do you really mean the lightest? Are you into Rando-racing? |
Thanks Altis - I should've been a little clearer in my request. And no - definitely not. My legs need a lie down at the very thought of such strenuous activity!
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Thanks rungsp... and RPF for that detailed analysis on Whitedot.
Both models sound as good in performance as they look in the pictures - although of course, 'm not going to admit to being swayed by graphics. However they are quite the purtiest skis I've seen in a long long while...
Maybe I'm being too traditional here but the Redeemer just looks way too fat and if I'm being honest, I really don't get to spend as much time in the deep stuff as I'd like to think I do. Altho your description of how it works everywhere on the mountain makes it very tempting.
I've kind of developed a mental lock onto the Preacher as being a more practical decision for me and your praise is now making me shuffle slightly faster towards the chequebook. The alternatives to White Dot that I am considering are Line or Movement but I have heard little information on either brand from fellow skiers.
One more thing - how do White Dots rate in the weight department?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Goode Carbon 95 are 1225gr @ 172cm
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I'm after light skis just for lower swing weight and I feel generally they tend to be more responsive
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| Big Paua wrote: |
| I'm after light skis just for lower swing weight and I feel generally they tend to be more responsive |
And thanks to all for the excellent tips and pointers!
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You know it makes sense.
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Big Paua,
Superlight skis are generally for tourers, Rando racers etc.
Here's a review on the Goode Carbon 95
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THE GOOD
I literally can pick up this ski with my pinky finger (without bindings)!!! They are by far the lightest ski on the market that is wide enough, in my opinion, to ski powder. I love skinning with this set-up- it takes me one step closer to being able to keep up with my husband. I also love boot packing with these skis on my back. It's almost like they're not even there!
THE BAD
Don't expect to love this ski in bumps, crud or ice. I would really like to try this ski with better, stiffer bindings, but with the Fritchi set-up I can't seem to find the sweet spot. They don't bounce like any of my K2 skis- I've skied on everything from the classic "Four" to the "Phat Luvs". Even my Head Mojos, which have very similar dimensions, are better all mountain skis.
Also, I worry about this ski's durability. As a fairly lightweight, non aggressive skier, I am NOT hard on ski equipment. Yet the top sheet is delaminating. I have heard of these skis breaking in half, the edges coming off and the top tip coming off.
Lastly, these skis are extremely expensive. At $1140, you would expect the Goode Carbon 95's to function as the only ski in your quiver; as a solid, all-mountain ski. However, they fall short of such great expectations.
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http://www.skiingthebackcountry.com/Carbon_95.php
I suspect soft allmountain skis for you would suffice rather than high tech super light (and expensive) skis. If you give your height & weight, people here of similar dimensions would then be able to give you tips and recommendations. e.g. The Movement Logic might fit the bill. Do you remember which skis you have skied and which you liked / disliked.
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Big Paua, The Preacher is the more versatile of the two no doubt, yeah the Redeemer is my favourite as it makes the best conditions even better, but if I was only allowed one I'd have to take the Preacher for its versatility and powder capability. Mine are quite light but they are the 08/09 model. The current model is stiffer has a different tip shape (contact point further back) should have lower swing weight. I dont know if making them stiffer has changed the weight. I have heard it is a more stable ski and better again on piste.
I have not skied The One so cant comment on it.
Have a chat with kiwi1 he is the owner of Whitedot maybe you can see or test the skis before you buy.
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DB - I think you're right. I certainly don't need high tech and superlight (and expensive) model. I just want a good light soft all rounder that will be good for a bit of day touring and still tasty on the pisted side of the mountain. I think my serious backcountry days are over.
Height is 6' 1", weight 12 stone (76kg); ski style is soft side of aggressive, don't care about bumps but like long fast cruising GS turns using the contours and staying off piste as much as humanly possible.
As an old timer, I also like what is these days considered a "long" ski so would be reluctant to go under 180 and in fact, contrary to my first post, would probably go for a 189 in the Preacher. I like the stability given by those long tails (back in the day I had a pair of 220 Olins off which it was impossible to fall!).
This is the first time in 20 years that I'm considering buying my own boards hence my ignorance of what's around. I rented some Movements (can't remember the model) a couple of years ago and they were sweet. Way back I used to have a pair of slim light and vicious 195 Atomics and also a pair of 190 Hexcels.
The Hexcels were super light and bendy but like the above reviewer's concern about the Goode Carbon 95s, they blew apart before the end of their first season (mind you, it was a 40-day season!). Hexcel was a new boy on the block at the time and they were boasting about their new technology and construction materials. I think they went out of business soon after. That's why I'm a llittle wary of new manufacturers and my initial question about White Dot.
That said, I notice a lot of what I would call newcomers to the ski manufacturing game now still seem to use the same reassuring traditional materials but just combine and design them differently. Skis are definitely more user friendly these days for sure.
I'll check out the Movement Logic but my heart's going to The Preacher - there's some good end-of-season prices going.
Again thanks for all the info. I didn't expect such helpful comments. It's great to talk ski geek again!
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Hi, couldnt help but comment on this one ref WhiteDot's construction and everyone's quite reasonable concern about buying from a new manufacturer ... we're not putting revolutionary and possibly fragile building techniques out there, our revolutionary ideals come more in the shaping department with cutting edge rocker and shape ideas getting tested and put into practise coupled with no expense spared construction. Sorry if this sounds a bit like an advert, thats not our style, but thought it might just answer a few questions about what we're doing under the skin so to speak!
'Course you still might not like them, just get out there and test what you can (just dont buy certain manufacturers beginning with S...!!!) and keep the stoke comming!
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Movement skis *ROCK*.
Not skiied WhiteDots yet but since I got one of my pairs of Movements from the_doc when he moved to WhiteDot, he can probably tell you how they compare
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nbt, hey, wait a minute, don't you have a pair for sale?!
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arv, funny you should mention that! No, I'm keeping them now, the idea of selling them was to raise money for a ski trip this season and it's a tad late 
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nbt, ahh no luck. Hopefully you get the chance to run them out on real snow soon 
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ahh, yeah I'd have to agree that MVMT are a pretty sorted company! The Kamasutra (now Signature I think??), Gladiator and Goliath are really sweet skis, not so the old Thunder, similar flex to WhiteDot's ONE and Preacher but the WhiteDots have more sidecut and are the better skis for it (but them I would think that wouldnt I!!), nice shapes without being too hooky. Well built with good customer support aswell.
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Come on give us some weights.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| DB wrote: |
Come on give us some weights. |
189 Preacher (155/112/133) = 2.25kg
190 Redeemer (138-142/128/132-128) = 2.4kg
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Could you please be more specific. Is this per ski or per pair?
In answer to the thread you will save more weight initially on going for Dynafit bindings than searching out light skis without compromising performance
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You know it makes sense.
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22 dropout, it's pretty unlikely to be per pair. a 1.125kg ski would be a bit ridiculous for something so much bigger than Goode's uberlight effort.
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22 dropout, per ski.
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