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David Goldsmith, let me see the video of this morning's C4 Skiing and I'm sure to be able to work it out 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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David Goldsmith, most of the season she was in the Downhill top thirty, but slipped out gradually towards the end because of her fitness problems, missing races. In fact she didn't compete in GS most of the season because of this, a discipline in which she finished 29th in last year's World Cup end of season standings. Finished this season around 40th in the end, in both Downhill and Super G.
Back at the start of Feb despite her problems she managed to finish 19th in the Downhill and 22nd in the Super G at the Santa Catarina FIS World Ski Championships.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Why are you so suprised though? Skiing in this country is viewed as a marginal sport at best or a pastime of the rich at worst.
So what will get people turning on the telly/reading the paper? A diary of someone they haven't heard of or some fairly fit bird in the bath? It is annoying for those of us who do take an intrest, that we have to put up with blatent explotation just to get our athletes on the box, but it's the (media) world we live in.
So, how many on here have heard of Steve Peat?
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Masque, Most tv coverage of her (Eurosport/Channel 4/Ski Sunday) is of her actually racing, so a few mins withxxx of Chemmy in a jacuzzi I can handle....
She does have a little income from modelling as well, as it happens. Given that outside the elite top 20 barely any racers make any money at all, you can't really blame them for moonlighting. I know some racers ranked between 30 and 60 in the world who don't earn a bean from ski racing, despite racing occasionally in the World Cup. Some can't even get a single cash paying sponsor.
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David Goldsmith, D cup.
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In terms of current (2005) FIS rankings Chemmy Alcott is 78th overall, 42nd in downhill, 43rd in super G.
On the 2004 rankings she was 51st overall, 27th in downhill, 29th in super G and 39th in GS.
PG, on what basis do you say that she "qualifies to take part in these races because she is in the top 30 in the world."? I'm no expert on this, but isn't an individual's qualification based on FIS points?
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Ms Alcott shown racing on TV??? Maybe elsewhere, but not on C4 she's not.
I stand by my comments PG. If she's all that, then she can prove it by getting herself into (at least) the top 10. And if that never happens, she can always try something like this
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David Goldsmith, I bet your barber has offered you patent remedies for split ends on many an occasion
If you finish 19th and 22nd in the World Ski Championships, after a lay-off, restricted training through the season, and still not back to full fitness, then by anyone's standards (in the business) you are entitled to consider yourself as part of the world's top thirty. WC ranking is one criterion for evaluating where a racer stands. Championships such as the Olympics and World Championships are others. Anyone in the business will take into account races and training missed through illness and you'll find no WC racer that considers Chemmy as a non top 30 competitor. Her overall ranking (cross discipline) is irrelevant, by the way.
Manda, so a
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Woman with sufficent skiing skill to make her a credible sportsperson with a real future in skiing, absolutely not
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is categorised as any female skier not (at least) in the world's top 10? Nonsense!
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PG, let's keep within the FIS criteria. What specifically will qualify a racer to enter World Cup super G, GS or downhill events at the start of the 2005/6 season? PG - Are you saying there's no formula and that it's down to some sort of jury judgement taking into account the injury setbacks etc.?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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So following PG's argument, Bode Miller winning the overall title is irrelevant, I hope nobody mentions that to him.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Poor girl, someone ought to tell her everyone's talking about her.
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| marc gledhill wrote: |
| So, how many on here have heard of Steve Peat? |
<puts hand in air>
Ooh, is he the world champion downhill mountain bike chappie? And a Brit as well?
Do I win a prize?
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You know it makes sense.
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David Goldsmith, there are national quotas, assuming the country concerned has racers below 120 FIS points. Up to a total of 60 competitors. The first 30 after the first run are entitled to a rerun in GS/slalom, the rest drop out. Racers also qualify periodically for the WC through the 'lesser' cups (such as the European Cup). How the top thirty in a particular race are selected (they race first) is complicated. If you're really interested, the official explanation is here:
http://www.fis-ski.com/data/document/rulesalpinefisworldcup2004-2005.pdf
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Ianhappy, give that man a ceegar!
Yep, but away from the MTB scene no one (well hardly anyone) has heard of him. And unless he's got some publicity stunt like Chemmy to pull, it'll stay that way.
Err, is this still the right thread?
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Poster: A snowHead
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| David@traxvax wrote: |
| So following PG's, argument Bode Miller winning the overall title is irrelevant, I hope nobody mentions that to him. |
It's irrelevant to the question of whether one can count as being "in the world's top 30" without being ranked as such in the overall classification. Some racers specialise. Otherwise it would be like saying Michael Johnson wasn't world no. 1 because he only did the 200m and 400m flat and didn't do the 400m hurdles and 800 metres flat as well.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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For heavens sake! Chemmy Alcott judged by the standards of (I would guess) 99% of the skiers on this board is a super star and better than me in my wildest dreams. No way should she be picked on because she looks good too. And she has been showing us her horrible gnarled and bunioned feet. Give the woman some credit. She is a seriously good skier. Let's support her. 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Chris Bish,
Here Here
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Chris Bish, YES! so let's see her out on the piste not out on the p¡ss!
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Chris Bish, you're absolutely right to make that interjection. Certainly Chemmy Alcott is a great competitor, and a great technical skier. I think Manda's criticisms a while back were unwarranted and I've just been trying to apply a bit of satire to the bubbly bath stuff, plus a bit of objectivity to her actual standing in world rankings.
I don't think any sane person in this thread would wish her anything but success and better luck next winter.
If her feet are in the state they're in because of poor boot fitting and avoidable pressure points, that's a bit stupid. I certainly got those problems during a season in plastic boots in the mid-1970s (Lange boots were more like cast iron than plastic then) but ski boots have had 30 years of development since then and these problems shouldn't affect a professional skier in 2005, should they?
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David Goldsmith,
They do. know very few skiers who ski all season who don't have problems with their feet, despite going to the best boot fitters.
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David Goldsmith, I presume that you are not calling my objectivity into question 
I misread the 2004 columns where she was in fact 29th in the Super G and not the GS, but otherwise I have not seen an acceptable argument for this hair-splitting innuendo about her not being in the alpine top 30, other than a suggestion that World Cup listings only be used (and presumably Olympic/World Championship results be ignored).
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Don't forget that race boots are usually fitted very tightly and are thus likely to further damage, already damaged feet
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| the margins at the levels she's competing at are tiny, the gap between her and the average might be large but the point is how small the gap between her and the top skiers is |
This is a key issue mentioned in a thread elsewhere. I remember watching a marathon when a spectator suggested, after the lead group had gone by at 2hr 10 minute pace, that the "also rans" some ten minutes behind were "going rather slowly", or words to that effect. The fact that they had just completed 25 miles at sub 5' 40" pace, and just what that entailed, escaped him completely.
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PG, it's too rare that you see the superimposed imagery on the coverage, it demonstrates to the uninformed very graphically how incredibly close these racers are.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Chemmy Alcott is a fantastic racer. I'm not sure if she's all that off-piste, though. Have to agree with Masque about the hot tub. Give it a few years and she probably will too!
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All of us who don't get a chance to not have boots on our feet for at least one day a week get problems. It deosn't matter how well fitting your boots are. Racers boots are much tighter than for normal ski-ing so pressure points can't be avoided.
Chemmy's brave and a super skier in my opinion, pity she comes over as the shopping and hot tub girl. How many non-skiers bother to watch Channel 4 at the crack of dawn on a Sunday? I would think Nic could afford to remain focussed.
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You know it makes sense.
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half way to the ignorant nonsense
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I'm being damned with faint praise!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Chris Bish, we could damn you with ott praise if you prefer? 
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Poster: A snowHead
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Ok, so she finally won something. Lets face it, for all her efforts she's still a Kornicova on skis at present and winning one British-only race doesn't significantly change that.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Manda, she's still probably a better / faster skier than 99% of the rest of us, yes she's had a bad year this year but last year she was probably the best performing of the British skiers in the areas in which she competes male or female
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Manda, Are you doing the T thing again?
Why do Brits seem to think that only top 10 in the world is any good - all sports suffer from this. The public and the press need a good drubbing. For a British skier to be in the top 50 is very, very good - look at all the people who come from the alps who race and don't get to that level. Whereas I still think she seems to be a rather silly girl, I could not impugn her ski-ing ability, and Manda - try to live with me on a race course .... and I wasn't much good when I was racing!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (I'm certainly pretty slow now in my 50's)
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If most here (including I) tried to ski with the people in Chemmy's league it would be like us trying to ride a push-bike on a german autobahn.
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... and we'd all be fighting over the saddle.
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| David Goldsmith wrote: |
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She qualifies to take part in these races because she is in the top 30 in the world.
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In which discipline(s) does Chemmy Alcott rank in the top 30? |
None: 78th overall, 42nd in DH, 43rd in SG. She did have 30 pts...
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ssh, hair-splitting's all the rage in this thread. We've done the precise end of season after injury position on WC points alone (we can all read the FIS site amazingly enough), and I explained that I was taking other results into consideration (Olympics, World Championships). So I beg to differ. Chemmy figures most definitely in the top 30 downhillers, as her results demonstrate when she is fit enough to race, even when injured (she was carrying an injury for most of the 2004/5 season, and missed races). Sorry. Ask a WC downhiller if you don't believe me.
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She's the UK's best female skier, so I don't see why people are calling her just a pretty face. She's not a top ten in the world skier, but quite frankly, there is little in the way of real skiing in the UK, so you can't expect the best of the UK to be the best skier in the world (in much the same way as you wouldn't expect a Spanish hockey team to be a top team. Sure they'd be able to field players better than 99% of the players in the world, but they're not going to be able to compete with colder coutries like Russia, Canada, Sweden, Finland, etc.).
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| ponder wrote: |
| colder coutries like Russia, Canada, Sweden, Finland, etc. |
ponder, can I just point out that hockey is played on grass. I was wondering why these "colder countries" would be better at hockey than spain, until I reliased you mean ICE hockey...
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nbt, mainly astro, or similar, today!
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