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Would you like to support Chemmy Alcott and the British Team?

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Sideshow_Bob, You could , undoubtedly. out-ski me if you were going backwards with a blindfold on ... but then so could anyone ... , the issue isn't my ability now but that 40 years ago .. so not measurable .

PS .. I wish I hadn't boot-started this rowing thing as it has nothing to do with this thread imo ..sorry rolling eyes
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PJSki, Laughing
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Back on topic. The answer is: on reflection and with the benefit of hindsight - no.
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Hurtle, It took us 17 pages but we got there Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Madeye-Smiley succinct and to the point!
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Hurtle, Laughing
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Hurtle wrote:
Back on topic. The answer is: on reflection and with the benefit of hindsight - no.


It's been so long....what's the question?
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This would make a good story for some enterprising journalist:

Britain's top women's ski racer turns down offer of financial support from fans.

Britain's top female ski racer has kicked some of her fans in the teeth over an offer of financial assistance....

I'm going to email The Sun. With Chemmy's looks, it's sure to make the back pages in the lull before that real sporting even known as the FIFA World Cup starts.
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PJSki, we dont actually know that has happened though, do we?
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Shimmy Alcott, I'm sure The Sun will get to the bottom of this.
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Maybe it was a retrospective appearance fee for Hemel?
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Due to the fact that I can't be arsed to read 17 pages, can someone tell me what happened to the money I gave to Chemmy's fund? Ta. Puzzled
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Spyderman, she didn't want it by all accounts.

Just noticed that her wiki has a mention of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemmy_Alcott#Fund_Raising_Controversy
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PJSki,
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Fund Raising Controversy
After complaining about a lack of funding and being out of pocket after the demise of SnowsportsGB in 2010, Alcott turned down an offer of financial assistance from a UK-based skiing website in the same year. Sources close to the website's owner report that Alcott and her advisers were unappreciative of the offer and behaved in a dismissive manner towards the fund-raisers. [50]

As of 24th May 2010, journalists are said to be investigating the allegations and any articles are expected to make UK national news.
[50]




I've checked your SCGB website and there's no mention on there.
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Hang on, there are precisely TWO mentions of chemmy "refusing" funds - one when Agenterre posted a theory on the last page, and further up this page where PJSki suggests IF TRUE it may be headline material.

I suspect that mountain may actually be a molehill...

Edit: I also note that the user who updated Chemmy's wiki page has no real history on Wikipedia apart from having one previous update removed as it was "unconstructive"
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so many untruths, so much speculation and BS if some of the people commenting actually had half an idea of the real situation then great, but all i am seeing is white noise and trolling
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nbt wrote:
Hang on, there are precisely TWO mentions of chemmy "refusing" funds - one when Agenterre posted a theory on the last page, and further up this page where PJSki suggests IF TRUE it may be headline material. [/url]


So it's true then, there have been reports of her refusing funds. Anyone can change that page, btw. If any of you think she didn't refuse funds from snowheads you can just delete the entry.
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CEM wrote:
so many untruths, so much speculation and BS if some of the people commenting actually had half an idea of the real situation then great, but all i am seeing is white noise and trolling


What specifically is untrue and BS?
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nbt, while not specifically "refusing funds", the last substantive report (over a month ago) was that there had been little/no reponse from the intended recipients and the funds had not been accepted. You've missed the important post, from Admin on 13th April

admin wrote:

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The initial campaign was ostensibly to fund Chemmy's taking her physio to the world cup finals with any remainder going to help support the rest of the team. There was also a critical need to resolve their transport issues.
We actually came up with two vehicles, one a £30,000 modified Transit. Having spent quite some time sorting out the details, the state of the team is one of such disarray that no-one even turned our offer down, let alone accepted it.
It later transpired that various bodies/individuals (connected with the team) had been bidding against each other to buy the old SSGB vans back from the administrators.

As the amount of money promised approached the 'physio target', I tried to let Chemmy know that this was now available to her. Unfortunately, I did not hear back until after the champs which she'd attended sans physio.

....

I have been told that there will be no funds from BSS until the start of the Winter season so a central fund is being set up to manage donations and sponsorship. As yet I still don't know by whom and I haven't even been able to corroborate the story that BSS won’t be funding summer training. Apparently it is intended that the £11-12k raised by Rufus Alcott's Snow Ball goes that way but again, it's not there yet as the fund doesn't exist yet.

So yes, I still have the money and frankly I wish I didn't.

....
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Someones opened a can of Wiki-woop-ass on that one Laughing
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nbt, I agree. I was kite-flying, but GrahamN, is a lot more accurate. I was 'suggesting the unspeakable' as without any info one way or the other, posters seemed to be inferring that any 'blame' was with the OP or Admin and given the post above I thought I would balance up the conjecture ...
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CEM,
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so much speculation

And this is surprising? rolling eyes
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PJSki, I can categorically say that Chemmy has not refused the funds (so you or who ever it was may want to remove the BS on wikipedia), she has as yet not had the money so there is no reason for her to come on here and thank people for something which she hasn't got!!!! I am sure that when the money is handed over that she will come on here and thank everyone concerned, although i think there are a few people who would rather she didn't based on the comments they have written.

i was under the impression (obviouslyy i was wrong) that this place was for people interested in skiing and promoting the sport rather than just whinging about it... maybe too many people have been spending time in Val d' Isere wink
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One post from admin since the eosb. Has he done a Foxy? Laughing
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GrahamN, thanks for that, I had indeed missed that post


Agenterre, I can see why you said it, I just suspect that PJSki is stirring


Does anyone beside me suspect that PJSki may know who the wiki poster "Snakehands" may be?
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One post from admin since the EoSB. Has he done a Foxy? Laughing


OMG! I think you're on to something...has he run off into the sunset with a certain gorgeous elite skier and the cash Shocked Laughing
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who the wiki poster "Snakehands" may be?

Indeed, that user name rings a bell. Just can't quite remember that far back.
nbt, a troll through the deleted users file may be enlightning.
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does snakehands have a guildford connection rolling eyes just heard it before somewhere
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Shimmy Alcott wrote:
Frosty the Snowman wrote:
One post from admin since the EoSB. Has he done a Foxy? Laughing


OMG! I think you're on to something...has he run off into the sunset with a certain gorgeous elite skier and the cash Shocked Laughing


ooh! I've not seen Helen referred to as an elite skier before, being engaged to Foxy must have bought many advantages and improvements I guess Very Happy
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Shimmy Alcott, couldn't blame the lad Very Happy
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GrahamN, CEM, Thanks for the update.
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Someones opened a can of Wiki-woop-ass on that one Laughing


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This article reads like a review and may need a cleanup. Please help improve this article to make it neutral in tone and meet Wikipedia's quality standards.


All is back to normal now. Laughing
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does snakehands have a guildford connection rolling eyes just heard it before somewhere

Please explain.
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laundryman, can you get a train from snakehands station to guildford?
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Whoever he/she is ... perhaps those who know the moniker will recognise the individual

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Agenterre wrote:
Whoever he/she is ... perhaps those who know the moniker will recognise the individual

Sad


Jef Wickes?

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What fun .. I've been away for a week and missed the drama !

Isn't it fun Toofy Grin

- I don't give a toss what happens to my small contribution ... the sewage outflow has been worth very penny:-D
- It's been obvious for ages that Rob@[/b) and [b[]Admin's best efforts have been fraught with arrogance and BS from anyone they try to help. They may protest but the reality is clear
- Swiller ... tuff , you may 'love' her but all she/her entourage is interested in is the bottom line , a real sportsperson would have said 'thanks' , even if they did not mean it
- Our wintersports future obviously has nothing to do with the current swiller-trough athletes ... time to invest in the future

Edited as irrelevant ... my fault !... Sorry


Are you standing by all the above? Or is it still irrelevant?
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PJSki,
- I have no idea who the real troll is
- I have no idea what the 'truth' is (nor care as much as some ). Those who do, have for some as yet unclear reason, been unable to clarify.
- It isn't helpful for those who genuinely care (not me) when those who are, prima facie, uninvolved claim that they know what has happened but do not post the info they are party to
- I do think this thread is fun, but very very sad that the original intent wasn't open-and-shut in 2 weeks ( which is I'm sure what the OP and Admin intended at the outset)
- I hadn't appreciated it was a treasonable offence to question UK alpine skiers, we question and abuse politicians who are also funded out of the public purse:shock:
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Agenterre,
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- I hadn't appreciated it was a treasonable offence to question UK alpine skiers...


Nor had I, old son. Clearly there are some registered here who make money out of ski racing. I don't have a problem with them expressing their unending and unquestioning support for the sport, but maybe one or two have spent too much time kneeling at the feet of some of our elite racers?


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Agenterre, not sure if some of that was aimed at me, PJSki, i know your jibe was aimed directly at me, why don't you just buzz off back to val d do dah

to be honest i don't give a flying frog what either of you think

would love to know what you are basing your references on

Yes i make some money out of race boots but not out of fitting members of the national squad, that is done free of charge

TBH not sure why i am even biting rolling eyes
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CEM, I was about to respond to PJSki, that it was not aimed at you ... but as you beat me to it, I don't give a flying frog what you think (on this subject) either.

You are, however, one of the people who have claimed 'inside' knowledge on this sorry saga and none of those posts have helped those who do 'care' either ( you are not the only one if you go back to page 4 or so).

I'd better stop biting too.
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