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easyjet doesn't fly to Denver last time I looked...
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| alti - dude wrote: |
| struggle to see difference between BA and easyJet other than price. I'm not paying BA prices to get a small sandwich and fund the high salaries of the cabin staff and a thumping great pension deficit . . . . |
So you know exactly what we earn do you? And if you're refering to what was in the press recently then more fool you for believing it. Do I make judgement on what you earn? There is a massive difference between BA and easyjet...firstlyyou are allowed more luggage. Admittedly, you've less chance of losing your bags with easy jet as you have to be mad checking a bag in. If we cancel a flight, you get rebooked...and mostly a hotel room, if it's too late. As far as I've heard ryan air and easy jet wouldn't be so forthcoming. I think easy jet and ryan air have their advantages and their market but so do BA.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| alti - dude wrote: |
| struggle to see difference between BA and easyJet other than price. I'm not paying BA prices to get a small sandwich and fund the high salaries of the cabin staff and a thumping great pension deficit . . . . |
There's always business class. 
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| alti - dude wrote: |
| struggle to see difference between BA and easyJet other than price. I'm not paying BA prices to get a small sandwich and fund the high salaries of the cabin staff and a thumping great pension deficit . . . . |
You're not .. you are buying a ticket to fly from A to B ... and you'll struggle to find a difference in price, and you don't 'fund' pension deficits ...
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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alti - dude, We costed BA LHR to GVA and Easyjet LTN to GVA. By the time baggage costs, etc, etc, had been added, together with the price of a drink on board, BA were cheaper. It's the final price that counts, not the headline starting price. I'm happy to fly BA and use T5 anyday. 
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Must admit I was quite impressed that Ryanair managed to get me back to Gatwick late tonight. With all the cancellations going on, I was half expecting to not get home until tomorrow (or later) {err, it already is tomorrow}. Now BA might have got me back quicker, but when they quoted £700 for a return against Ryanair's sub-£100,. then sorry but they don't get the chance.
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I'm a regular flyer for business and pleasure so can speak from experience - I would always use easyjet before BA for both where I can and price is only on part of that decision (I've gone off Ryanair as there is no flexibility and I have experience of them when there is a cancelation). T5 is OK but spent half an hour in November trying to get through security - it's flashy but not really much quicker. Shops are better though I accept (should I factor in the increased retail therapy spend as a result of flying BA via T5?).
I also think the 'low cost' carriers seem to be more focussed on turnaround times. When I flew BA to Germany a few weeks ago (early morning flight) we were an hour late boarding because the plane hadn't come out of it's car park - can you imagine Stelios or O'Leary letting that happen? When you get on an Easyjet flight that's a bit late there is a focus on 'come on guys get you bum on a seat a bit sharpish as we have a slot to get' - I want that as I want to get from A to B quickly and see planes as a bus in the sky and not something I get a buzz out of as an experience.
Of course there will be times when the price differential isn't there but normally it is (I do it regularly so I know) - in the BA model there is a cross subsidy with those who take bags having the cost of those met in part by those that don't. The easyjet model is you pay what you use. I book well in advance, usually only have hand baggage and check in online.
Nickk65 - I was on a cancelled easyjet flight from France last week - easyjet were great in the way in which they handled it, put us up in hotels etc. I am sure if the press were out of line in their salary indications, the union PR machine would have been working overtime to correct it so we must accept there is an element of truth about the speculation.
Agenterre - who does fund a pension deficit if it's not customers?
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| alti - dude wrote: |
| The easyjet model is you pay what you use. I book well in advance, usually only have hand baggage and check in online |
In this case the budgets will normally be cheaper and you will not lose your bags
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In this case the budgets will normally be cheaper and you will not lose your bags
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rayscoops, you've clearly not met one of my mates who can lose anything with no external assistance required. He once lost his rucksac in a mountain restaurant - and found it again on his back!!!
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Tiger2, is he of a certain age ? 
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Easyjet have never bumped me (and my 13 year old daughter) off a half term flight payed for 11 months previously. BA have!
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You know it makes sense.
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the airline i have been closest to being bumped on is swiss. this is always on a late flight out of LCY so you get lots of business travellers with flexible tickets, i guess
i have had pretty decent experiences with most airlines. i prefer BA to EZY because they fly at better times for me. however, i was pretty pleased to be on BA on my last trip when Geneva airport almost shut down. My flight was cancelled but we walked up to check-in and they rebooked us on another flight that evening no problem. The tannoy was announcing that easyjet passengers could rebook through the easyjet website
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Don't get me wrong there are pros and cons for them all, all factors, etc need to be considered. I'm using Easyjet this half term (as I did last month). I'd use BA again although my experience last year wasn't great. I've also used them at other times without a problem, as I have Easyjet (and even Ryanair). I see Aer Lingus also now fly from Gatwick to Zurich, I'll look at them too.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Colin B, Aer Lingus out of LGW is quite a pleasant experience. The check-in is a bit tucked away but much less busy than EZY
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Colin B, In will use any one, mainly I use Easyjet and BA (and a bit of BMI Baby from Cardiff ) from Bristol and Heathrow but Ryanair have priced me out with their £40 per flight ski charges. KLM are the only ones who have lost my bags (they boast about the quickest transfer times at Chipol but that is because they leave the luggage behind) and they do that quite regularly.
My mate had a return flight to Swizerland somewhere with Swissair but was busy in work and could not make the out bound leg so he booked a one way ticket with Easyjet the next day, anyway when he went to check in with Swiss to come home he was told his return part of his ticket was null and void because he did not take the outbound flight, and was charged SFranc 350 to book the same seat that he had already paid for, and they started to charge him excess baggage too ! ...... he was nearly arrested at that point 
I sometimes book two single flights rather than a return after that !
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| rayscoops wrote: |
| My mate had a return flight to Swizerland somewhere with Swissair but was busy in work and could not make the out bound leg so he booked a one way ticket with Easyjet the next day, anyway when he went to check in with Swiss to come home he was told his return part of his ticket was null and void because he did not take the outbound flight, and was charged SFranc 350 to book the same seat that he had already paid for |
this is standard practice for return tickets
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rayscoops, if you have a spare moment, compare prices of BA long haul flights if you start in somewhere like Amsterdam and connect in London with flights starting in London. you will see why they insist you take all legs!
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Arno, that has always seemed perverse. One can see that anyone competing against a direct flight must provide an incentive. But their costs will be higher and more precious fuel ends up getting burnt if people take the incentive.
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laundryman, i am told that the airlines are a favourite case study at business schools - i guess this sort of thing is why
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Its called revenue management - it is less attractive to transfer than fly direct.... but it is better for the airline to fly with the seat filled than empty. They will try and charge each of the markets as much as they can... and sell as many expensive tickets as they can whilst trying to minimise the number of empty seats.
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when my brother in law's EJ flight Geneva - Birmingham was cancelled yesterday (snow both ends) he was offered either a night in a hotel in Geneva or changing to another flight. Sure, passengers were told they could change online - but only if they preferred that option to waiting in the queue.
I was once quoted over £900 for a single BA flight Geneva - London. 
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katedenhaag, I can quite understand it from the airlines' point of view; but I think it is one of those cases where the market definitely produces a sub-optimal outcome in aggregate. Therefore, I'd be in favour of regulating the practice out of existence.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| alti - dude wrote: |
I'm a regular flyer for business and pleasure so can speak from experience - I would always use easyjet before BA for both where I can and price is only on part of that decision (I've gone off Ryanair as there is no flexibility and I have experience of them when there is a cancelation). T5 is OK but spent half an hour in November trying to get through security - it's flashy but not really much quicker. Shops are better though I accept (should I factor in the increased retail therapy spend as a result of flying BA via T5?).
I also think the 'low cost' carriers seem to be more focussed on turnaround times. When I flew BA to Germany a few weeks ago (early morning flight) we were an hour late boarding because the plane hadn't come out of it's car park - can you imagine Stelios or O'Leary letting that happen? When you get on an Easyjet flight that's a bit late there is a focus on 'come on guys get you bum on a seat a bit sharpish as we have a slot to get' - I want that as I want to get from A to B quickly and see planes as a bus in the sky and not something I get a buzz out of as an experience.
Of course there will be times when the price differential isn't there but normally it is (I do it regularly so I know) - in the BA model there is a cross subsidy with those who take bags having the cost of those met in part by those that don't. The easyjet model is you pay what you use. I book well in advance, usually only have hand baggage and check in online.
Nickk65 - I was on a cancelled easyjet flight from France last week - easyjet were great in the way in which they handled it, put us up in hotels etc. I am sure if the press were out of line in their salary indications, the union PR machine would have been working overtime to correct it so we must accept there is an element of truth about the speculation.
Agenterre - who does fund a pension deficit if it's not customers? |
Glad to hear that Easy Jet are good, I'll be flying with them in June. Different airlines work for different people depending on their needs and location.
My issue is with what you say about my salary. To be honest, I have no intention of justifying my salary...noone else needs to!! (which is, after 11 years, certainly not what was printed in the press). However, judging by your last comment, my silence will just mean that you take your statement to be true???? Unite failed dismally on the PR front, whilst the BA spin machine went to work. As crew we are forbidden from speaking to the press. The press coverage was shocking and very inaccurate but, at the end of the day, all I will say is keep an open mind and don't believe everything printed in the press as gospel. You have as little right to judge what I earn as I do what you earn. So maybe let's stick to discussing the things that airlines do/don't do..fact, instead of unsubstantiated comments about our earnings, please.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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'So maybe let's stick to discussing the things that airlines do/don't do'
Yeah - BA wanted to fly, cabin crew didn't
Bet the strike ballot is a resounding NO this time.......
and on cost, Brussels Airlines wanted £950 to go Bristol/Brussles and back (50 min flight). So I'm off to Eurostar tomorrow. 2 returns, 2 3* hotel rooms, trains every 30 mins - £280. Bargain.
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FAQ
, the same applies for each leg of a flight if you have to change somewhere - I was flying to Stuttgart via Chipol and forgot to turn my watch forward an hour and missed my connecting flight which technically meant all the others were null and void. The nice lady at the desk managed to do something technical on the computer to hide the fact I missed the flight and get me on the next one and the return leg was therefore safe guarded.
