Poster: A snowHead
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Dear all, posed a similar question back in October - a little premature. Need to make a few plans now and I'm on the 6am ish shuttle to Calais on Friday prior to half term, and need to make Munich for my overnight stop, before getting to Obertauern early on Saturday for what I hope is a full first days skiing.
Michelin gives two routes, both same time and distance (within 15mins) It recommends the Belgium, Holland, German route on cost grounds I would have thought, but the France route via Rheims, then clinging to the German border Metz et al as marginally quicker.
Given its a Friday, and my experience is pretty much all French and Dutch driving, any pointers as to blackspots, and reasons to avoid the Belgian-German route as I fancy a change. Tolls are not particularly an issue, but of course a Jam free journey is.
I would appreciate advice from people who have done both.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I did this route on my way to Lake Garda in the summer, the French roads although they have tolls are excellent, you should have no trouble making it to Munich for your overnight stay, we made all the way to Garmisch towing a boat>
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Calais-Brussels-Koblenz-Stuttgart-Munich.
Avoids the french tolls and is virtually the same distance.
TomTom helps with theroutefinding. Don't believe the hype that German motorways are all unlimited, the speeds are up and down all the time. I did it in 9 hours last weekend (daytime) with a few very short stops.
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Thanks to Fogliettaz and Stevev. Any issues with a weekday drive in particular Stevev?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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twoodwar, I last went via Lille, Namur, Luxembourg, Kaiserslauten, then off piste to N of Karlsruhe, Stuttgart, Munich.
Minimum tolls and cheap petrol in Luxembourg
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Brussels is ok unless you arrive at rush hour. You don't go anywhere near Frankfurt unless you want to, go koblenz, then south to Karlsruhe, Stuttgart.
The stuttgart motorway does have numerous roadworks, but even the Belguim and French routes use that autobahn. Tolls in France will cost 50eu each way, but you do have a good motorway at 130kph most of the way.
I have also done Brussels, Lucemburg route, but south of Luxemburg is a bit awkward to get to Stuttgart, a few routes, none of which seemed great.
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twoodwar, I drove down to schladming last week. Followed tomtom via brussels, karlshrue, stuttgart, munich route. Was fresh snow on most of the autobahns from france through to stuttgart, traffic kept moving, saw a few accidents but no major hold ups. May try the Luxembourg route next time to grab some cheap diesel.
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Thanks to all, one final question, is Petrol cheap in Luxembourtg, as that is what I'm on?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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not sure about Luxemburg, but france, belgium and Germany are well expensive. Germany is around 1:36eu per litre. Austria is a lot cheaper for petrol
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You know it makes sense.
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stevev, you were paying motorway prices and using Super then!
A good tip I was given early on when I was commuting was to drop off the autobahns in Germany and fill up at the "Autohofs" - good prices and extensively used by the HGV and tour buses. Good food outlets as well and always fairly close to the autobahns but not having to pay for the privilege of being actually on them. They are always signposted from the autobahns.
twoodwar, I fill up in Austria on my way out (diesel currently 0.94 to 1:00 Euro) and top up at the Bettembourg services in Luxembourg, ensuring I really fill up to the maximum. Last time in the UK I found diesel to be about the same price or a little cheaper than in Germany. France is no longer as cheap as it used to be that's for sure and I make it a rule never to fill up in Belgium having had dirty fuel on three separate occasions and having heard of similar events (first hand, not via the grapevine!). Again in France we found dropping off the motorways and away from the main tourist routes prices were a lot better. Usually we filled up at a Centre Commercial, finding LeClerc and Cora were the cheapest.
Fuel prices go up and down like yo-yos here cheaper in the middle of the week and more expensive at the weekends.
Sue
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I'm doing a similar same journey at half-term though Dunkerque – Obertauern except I have to get the 8.00pm ferry arriving France 11.00pm unfortunately due to work commitments.
I’m planning to drive through the night to avoid congestion (as much as possible) and get there the next morning – good or bad idea?. Suggested routes for driving through the night would be helpful.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Sue petrol at 1:36 is standard around Munich. The local one to me is 1:37 today.
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