 Poster: A snowHead
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Let's read that again, with quote marks (they go funny when used in thread titles):
"Knee injuries are 365 times more likely to happen to skiers than the general population."
It's a quote from today's Montreal Gazette, and it seems to be a properly researched article. For instance:
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| National Ski Areas Association's (NSAA) claim that 39.8 skiers and snowboarders die every year on the slopes. |
Mr 0.8 is the lucky one, because 20% of his body actually survived.
The article doesn't quote a source for the "365 times" statistic, so let's look into this in more detail. Our knees may not forgive us if we don't.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Ernst Goldsmith wrote: |
The article doesn't quote a source for the "365 times" statistic, so let's look into this in more detail. Our knees may not forgive us if we don't. |
They also don't say what it actually means.
Do they mean that anybody spending a day skiing is 365 times more likely to get a knee injury than somebody spending a day on "average" activities?
Or do they mean that somebody who participates in skiing is 365 times more likely over their lifetime (or over a season/year?) than somebody who doesn't?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Ski injury data is usually given on the incidence of the injury per 1000 skier days. So you'd look at the rate of comparable knee injuries for the non-skiing population, per 1000 days. The problem is that the journalist has left out a vital piece of information: where does the data come from, and was it 'peer-reviewed' (by other scientists)?
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A journalist not quoting the whole source or giving you the full story? Whatever next?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Knee injuries more likely for skiers. Whoopy-do, now there's a surprise. Perhaps we should all just stay in bed?
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The general populations probably far more likely to suffer from diseases and injuries related to lack of fitness than a skier, however.
Also I wonder what the figure is for other sports, its rare to find ex skateboarders, footballers and bowlers (cricket, not lawn!) that don't have very similar complaints.
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Knee injury is the only thing about extreme skiing that scares me. What if i do my ACL and have a season off snow, or worse? Scary stuff, but i already knew the risks without some journey spouting about some stupid statistic.
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Ever since the early days of high-backed plastic ski boots in the late 1960s/early 1970s the knee has been subjected to unnatural leverage. Since ACL and other knee injuries affect everyone from very fit and strong racers through to beginners (both experience backward-twisting falls), the key factor is to minimise that type of fall (or landing).
Personally, I'd avoid any aspect of skiing - particularly hyped 'extreme skiing', promoted in ski movies - that involves landing or leaning in the 'back seat'. I began skiing in 1959 and have probably done the equivalent of three lifetimes' skiing for the average person, on most grades of slopes, but I've never had a knee ligament injury. I was lucky to be trained by BASI in 1975, which vastly reduced the incidence of falling.
I'd thoroughly recommend really effective and intense ski training, over a period of weeks, partly because it really reduces the risk of injury (apart from making skiing ten times more enjoyable and fulfilling).
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Non skiers are a million times more likely to have shoite lives,many of these will go undiagnosed. 
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Ernst Goldsmith, Your saying that your so amazing yet dont partake in extreme aspects of skiing? How does that work? Like you said knee injuries in skiing are a given but why stop doing exciting things and challenging yourself through fear of injury? If that's your personal outlook then your not living buddy.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Yeah, well, I have plenty of friends who messed themselves up with freestyle skiing (aerials etc), which wasn't even extreme skiing. The human body can't take that much of a pounding. Nothing amazing about what I've done on mountains - I had enough experiences that freaked me out enough to avoid a lot of the scarier terrain
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