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Are you sure there is a reintroduction program? In France there has not been a reintroduction program for Wolves or Lynx but a limited program for bears (despite claims by the farmers to the contrary), the wolves that exist have simply walked over the border from Italy and there is still a large natural bear population in Spain.... given time and lack of outside pressure they would recolonize all of the Pyrenees. |
The bears are a walk in but others are part of programs, the lynx for example started to be re-introduced back in 1970. Wolves I'm not 100% sure about, but there's a lot of these programs, I think I saw something about vultures being reintroduced as well.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| davidof wrote: |
| Are you sure there is a reintroduction program? In France there has not been a reintroduction program for Wolves or Lynx . |
Are you sure there is NO re-introduction program? Everything that is written about the wolves in Mercantur ( and the subsequent culling by local farmers) in Nice-Matin says that they are re-introduced. Part of the argument put forward by local farmers is that they are not the 'endemic' strains ... and I think I have read that they come from Romania as well
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eEvans, by Romania do you mean the Carpathian Mountains? They seem to be the source for a lot of the species being reintroduced around Europe.
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I like Wolves. I use to have an Akita which the kids used to call a wolf as she really did look the part. She weighed about 9 and a half stone, had webbed paws and the double coat. Used as a bear and stag hunter in Japan until they got round to fighting them.... words fail me here... and as she was an american show dog she was bigger than the japanese version. There are now two breeds, the american and japanese version. The US version will show at Crufts..
The dogs are heavier than bitches, of course, but don't know how this relates to the size of a wolf..
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eEvans, The Swiss seem to be enjoying the idea of the reintroduction of animals which had been hunted to extrinction. I suggest that the typical Frenchman is only interested in nature, if it can be wrapped in pastry and eaten. 
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snowbunny, that's not quite true, the French will just shoot stuff for the sake of it
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ise, even snails have developed an extra turn of speed here, a new super-species has evolved
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PG, they'll not be safe until the evolve to shoot back
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ise, Yes, you are correct the Carpathians. I've just done some research (french sites) ; it transpires that there were no wolves in the Alps between 1900 and c.1985. The argument seems to revolve around whether the wolves ( which did re-appear in Italy) actually could have walked from the Appennines ( in search of food ) or were re-introduced.
There is loads of genetic analysis ( which is beyond my comprehension ability ); what does not appear clear from what I have read so far as to whether the French government is responsible for re-introduction or private bodies .
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ise, don't give them any ideas, there are eons of enmity waiting to come out. At least the Brits will be safe - a strategic alliance perhaps.
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You know it makes sense.
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eEvans, Armed and bl00dy dangerous, I'd take cover now if I were you 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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eEvans,
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No problem, ise has had a jest or three in all of his posts today . All I have to do is beware 5 foot wabbits with white hair ..
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Who would that be then, there are a lot of us in SH..some are taller than others
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snowbunny, Now , you know there's only one wabbit ... sorry didn't appreciate you were even more vertically challenged than that ...
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eEvans,
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snowbunny, Now , you know there's only one wabbit ... sorry didn't appreciate you were even more vertically challenged than that ...
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I'm not 
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I'm not sure about wolves in the Savoie, but there were definitely sharks in St Anton last week.
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| eEvans wrote: |
| davidof wrote: |
| Are you sure there is a reintroduction program? In France there has not been a reintroduction program for Wolves or Lynx . |
Are you sure there is NO re-introduction program? Everything that is written about the wolves in Mercantur ( and the subsequent culling by local farmers) in Nice-Matin says that they are re-introduced. Part of the argument put forward by local farmers is that they are not the 'endemic' strains ... and I think I have read that they come from Romania as well |
A French parliamentary inquiry reporting in 2004 headed by a judge confirmed that the wolves in the Mercantour are Italian and that there has been no reintroduction programme even clandastine. Of course it could all be a cover up as some sheep farmers seem to thing but it doesn't seem likely, who benefits?
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| ise wrote: |
| PG, they'll not be safe until the evolve to shoot back |
Reminds me of one of our Jonathon Livingstone Zoo cartoons from years back. Punchline ran...
"The new season had started with something of an impasse. The hunting fraternity argued that deer culling was environmentally responsible whilst Jonathon Livingstone Red Deer maintained his right to an independent nuclear deterrent!"
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davidof, I guess the answer is that there are enough crazy 'eco-groups' around to do anything. It also seems clear that there no alpine wolves in any country after the 1940s ... so someone moved them around !
I don't really care but an interesting bit of research neverthelees 
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| eEvans wrote: |
davidof, I guess the answer is that there are enough crazy 'eco-groups' around to do anything. It also seems clear that there no alpine wolves in any country after the 1940s ... so someone moved them around !
I don't really care but an interesting bit of research neverthelees :) |
The French investigation could be a govt cover up, there have been plenty in the past.
It is also possible the wolves migrated - did you see the wolf they tagged near florence that walked right across to Nice in about 2 months? They get around a bit.
Are you sure that there were no residual Italian wolves? I always thought they had survived in Italy and Spain. I remember BBC nature documentary about Italy's wolves sometime in the late 1970s.
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davidof, davidof, Sorry I was obviously unclear. There were still appennine wolves but no alpine wolves. I'll look for those articles again tomorrow , they were accompanied by some distribution maps .. together with gene analysis . I KNOW nothing just what I'm finding !!
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Not all wolves are bad.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| eEvans wrote: |
| I KNOW nothing just what I'm finding !! |
Me neither, I'm hoping to run for PM with those skills
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Poster: A snowHead
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| davidof wrote: |
| eEvans wrote: |
| I KNOW nothing just what I'm finding !! |
Me neither, I'm hoping to run for PM with those skills |
Way too over-qualified ..
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| ise wrote: |
| snowbunny, that's not quite true, the French will just shoot stuff for the sake of it |
One obviously got away, our Mastiff just had a close encounter with a deer in the back garden. (The deer was pretty safe, meeting an animal that is slightly larger than she is was a bit of a shock to the system so she retreated, barking bravely).
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austin7, mastiffs are big, but not that big!
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