 Poster: A snowHead
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So, any good? Look decent spec/price. Guess alternative would be mantras. Any thoughts?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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On any forum.....excellent reviews . I`ve got the 90`s but only `cause I don`t need 100 underfoot. LP or Mantra, can`t go wrong with either.
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My 90s have just come today, so won't be able to try them until Jan. I got mine for the same reason as susieski, and I thought they'd be better on piste due to being a little narrower.
They do indeed seem to have some rave reviews don't they!
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I have stocklistormrider xls so am covered for stiff/ice/piste etc
I was thinking that the 100 wold be more complementary to the stocklis.
Thoughts on length? I'm 176 and 78kg and was thinking 179s mounted with a pair of freerides that I have. Tempted to go longer but think 179 would be better for occasional skinning.
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Try a search on TGR. The majority of people there say there is barely any difference between the 90 and 100 so I would go with the 100. Although the conditions in the US are obviously different to our.
I nearly bought the Prophet 100 but got a good deal on some HS Freerides from kiwi1
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They're great. Really useable ski - one of my favourites. Lightweights can try the Prophet Flite but if you ski a Stockli then you'll find the 100 quite flexible by comparison. At 95 kg the 179 Prophet 100 worked well for me though I'd go a bit longer if buying.
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The 100 is an amazing ski, amazing price and in my opinion skied better than the 90 on piste! make sure you get a marker griffon/jester on it tho! if the binding isn't wide and chunky you will struggle to get the power onto the edges! (we have them going out for a cracking price btw and in stock  )
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ohh and mantras are amazing but so tyring! very stiff and heavy! if your VERY FIT go for the mantras but the 100's are alot more friendly!
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dansmith, you know that the screw width is the same on the Jester and normal bindings, just the plate is slightly wider? Which will make very little difference.
Very fit for Mantra? You need to eat more pies.
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| parlor wrote: |
dansmith, you know that the screw width is the same on the Jester and normal bindings, just the plate is slightly wider? Which will make very little difference.
Very fit for Mantra? You need to eat more pies. |
Mainly saying so people don't wack on something like a salomon Z12 which plates can not take the abuse the wider skis give them, anything above 85 underfoot and a semi aggressive skier and the back plate that holds the heal piece will snap! yes the screw width is the same but the plate being wider does make a difference, also the markers with there lower swing weight with the sideways mounted springs (in my opinion) makes ski's feel better!
And trust me! I don't need to eat more! lol
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Hang on, if the plate goes outboard of the screws (which are the same spacing as a narrow binding) then on a wider ski the binding plate is going to be exposed to far more leverage at the screw than a regular binding, forcing the plate/back/whatever into a far more severe v than a narrow binding plate would suffer. This being the case a wider binding is surely more likely to suffer failure in this mode, unless you move the screws out to the edges, which marker haven't done.
Anyway, this is immaterial as he's putting freerides on - yep, great ski. Has shape, busts crud, the 90 floats my fat backside nicely if I get the speed up. I'd certainly go for the 100 if I was going for a powder day ski and possibly the 100 regardless as an all rounder if i was buying with the benefit of hindsight. Length sounds about right, especially as you tour.
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| Cunners wrote: |
Hang on, if the plate goes outboard of the screws (which are the same spacing as a narrow binding) then on a wider ski the binding plate is going to be exposed to far more leverage at the screw than a regular binding, forcing the plate/back/whatever into a far more severe v than a narrow binding plate would suffer. This being the case a wider binding is surely more likely to suffer failure in this mode, unless you move the screws out to the edges, which marker haven't done.
Anyway, this is immaterial as he's putting freerides on - yep, great ski. Has shape, busts crud, the 90 floats my fat backside nicely if I get the speed up. I'd certainly go for the 100 if I was going for a powder day ski and possibly the 100 regardless as an all rounder if i was buying with the benefit of hindsight. Length sounds about right, especially as you tour. |
The reason why the markers take the abuse is cos they are are much more solid binding, the plates are alot better made and at the end of the day the bindings are designed to be put on wider skis! other bindings that work on the same theory are the salomon STH (the baseplates are hugely re-inforced compared to its lighter weight brother) both these bindings are only designed to be put on skis around 80mm underfoot and wider! As for the leverage on the screws the bindings are designed for the job so I'm sure someone clever has thought of it!! Although I bet one of the reasons why the screws wern't put wider apart is to save money on making new jigs! lol
I've had to replace way too many parts on peoples light weight bindings for me to ever put them on a pair of my skis and just passing on my findings.
ahh freeride bindings, didn't read that bit.. I know alot of people were putting tourers on line blends also as they are a little ligher, not as solid a ski but if you are doing alot of walking then it maybe worth considering!
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You know it makes sense.
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dansmith, now I'm really confused, in another thread you said you like to set your bindings at 10 because you don't like to be too close to the 'maximum', which I assume is 12. I've never seen a decent binding with a DIN < 14, unless you count the FKS Jr which went to 12. FYI the STH bindings, including the 16, suck and are pretty flimsy when compared to real bindings. And here you say that you only ski on proper bindings. What is your preferred binding?
The "wider base" Jester / Griffon / Duke / Barron & 'reinforced' STH range is marketing hype.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| parlor wrote: |
dansmith, now I'm really confused, in another thread you said you like to set your bindings at 10 because you don't like to be too close to the 'maximum', which I assume is 12. I've never seen a decent binding with a DIN < 14, unless you count the FKS Jr which went to 12. FYI the STH bindings, including the 16, suck and are pretty flimsy when compared to real bindings. And here you say that you only ski on proper bindings. What is your preferred binding?
The "wider base" Jester / Griffon / Duke / Barron & 'reinforced' STH range is marketing hype. |
Did you ever think that I have more than one set of skis? i've got sth 12's on one pair jesters on another, some old s914's on and some px14's. I do think some people see the din setting as a massive ego war, fair enough in some more extreme situations but for everyday skiing its just a death wish for your knees. I have a high din (unfortunately) cos I'm a big guy
Think what you will with marketing hype, I know what bindings I have had to replace less parts on since they have come around! As s for bindings like the STH 16 sucking as well as the jesters etc, you have some of the biggest names in skiing using them, and pretty sure they will be skiing harder/bigger/better than any of us can imagine.
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Poster: A snowHead
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dansmith, I didn't say the Jesters suck, just marketing hype, the binder itself is fine. I have my own opinion about the STH16, and I believe that most of the guys that are sending it on Sollys are still on 916 and / or 920s.
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Have a look at the griffon plates...they flex prettty easy with the boot, so I would'nt exactly call them a burly binding! Shame really 'cos the rest of it is fine....hey Parlor Nina rides the WhiteDot/VIST 412 binding...pretty good really, all metal and solid as, but as you say everything under 14 DIN seems to be plastic shite...
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the_doc, actually I forgot the lower DIN Vist range is pretty good. Merci.
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I may be going off the original thread here but it seems some very knowledgable people on this one so advice please - what is the difference between 05/06 LP 100's and this years? Been offered these but wondering what the difference is and am I likely to make a mistake here?? I ski B5's at the moment and I suppose want to start getting off the track more, plus big brother has relocated to within 2 hours of Lake Tahoe so should get a few weeks in this year and for the next couple. Advice always appreciated and if I have nicked the thread apologies.
Flog
Dansmith - i bought the b5's from you when they came out, are they worth anything on a trade in with 09/10 LP's??
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thanks for the input everyone
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I couldn't comment on the 05/06 prophet 100 as I didn't think that it existed that long ago? I know this year and last year the ski remains unchanged apart from cosmetics and i think the 06/07 model was also the same!
Unfortunatly Bud we can't take any part ex's your best bet is ebay! and B5? as in metron? sorry long day and going blank! (just out of interest)
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ATOMIC METRON B5 SKIS SIZE 172 CM NEOX BINDINGS
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