Poster: A snowHead
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Can anyone recommend any?
Preferably for (much) less than 100 scoobies? (looked at the R3/R4 patagonia ones but out of my price range!)
I'm hoping to hit TKmaxx and maybe pick one up, but this may be akin to finding a needle in a haystack.
What features should I look out for?
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I'm not going to go into brands or models.
For Canada, for layering under a good jacket or salopettes these fabrics would be my first choice:
Polartec Thermal Pro
Polartec Thermal Pro High Loft
Polartec Classic 300 weight or higher (sometimes called Expedition weight)
These would be my second choice:
Polartec WindBloc
Polartec WindPro
Any garment made from one of these will include a tag to say so.
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DB, on her previous trip she was wearing a t-shirt under the fleece for warmth. This tells me that the shell she was using -didn't- have a good windblock.
Upgrading to a better shell is highly unlikely to happen for under 100 scoobies.
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comprex,
If v1cky24 was only cold when the wind blew I'd assume the same. (replacing the shell might be more effective than replacing the fleece in this case). If not v1cky24 probably needs a higher performance fleece.
http://www.gear-zone.co.uk/eshop/Ladies-Fleece.html
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Thanks for the replies.
Are the windbloc fleeces generally thicker?
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v1cky24, the Thermal Pro ones and the Expedition weight ones are generally thicker, thicker than a knit cardigan for example. They can have a wide variety of handfeel and surface finishes, including smooth or woven or pseudo-fur looks.
The Windblock and WindPro have different fibre orientation and cross-sectional makeup to give them wind blocking properties. They can have a wide variety of handfeel and surface finishes, including smooth or suede or corduroy appearance, but will generally be smoother and denser on the outside than the purely thermal ones.
If you look at DB's link, you can see the fabric spec on most of the fleeces, and you can probably pick the ones which probably wouldn't be a good combination for your goals.
Perhaps train your eye on the desirable ones and then look for the same? Be sure to check the fabric tag in TKmaxx, though.
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Not wanting to hijack someone else's thread but saves making another one
What weight fleece is recommended for someone who doesn't get too cold and has a goretex shell and will be wearing thermals as a base?
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the fleece business confuses me too - given that they range from about £9.99 to £999.99. There are obvious styling and weight differences - but lightweight ones come in all prices, as do heavyweight ones. Mine are generally Decathlon own brand - cheap and available in a multitude of colours. I do have a windblock one (not Decathlon) which I use for sailing with nothing on top, but never for skiing as it's too chunkyand I don't find it terribly comfortable.
My own solution to being cold is to add a layer - sometimes a merino base layer, then a middle weight fleece, then a fleece gilet, then my (warm) jacket - that does the trick and is still pretty comfortable. I've sometimes looked at the fancy price fleeces and wondered whether they would be more effective than my Decathlon ones but have never been convinced. Is there a big difference?
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tiffin wrote: |
What weight fleece is recommended for someone who doesn't get too cold and has a goretex shell and will be wearing thermals as a base? |
Probably 200, depending on exact base layer and skiing conditions may be less or may be more.
Some of the ones with waffle-iron sculpting or channels on the inside surface might work really well for you because they can transport a lot of vapour to wherever it can actually leave the shell.
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pam w wrote: |
the fleece business confuses me too - given that they range from about £9.99 to £999.99. There are obvious styling and weight differences - but lightweight ones come in all prices, as do heavyweight ones. |
It's really easy to make a cheap fleece in any weight one likes: use fabric technology from the early 90s, pay no licence fees, and have it made in China, India, Cambodia or Vietnam.
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It's really easy to make a cheap fleece in any weight one likes: use fabric technology from the early 90s, pay no licence fees, and have it made in China, India, Cambodia or Vietnam.
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so are the expensive ones heaps better?
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You know it makes sense.
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pam w wrote: |
so are the expensive ones heaps better |
Dunno which ones you're looking at <shrug>.
I /can/ tell you that premium fleece products from 10 years ago (1998 Patagonia Regulator frex) can beat a large range of cheap fleece products made last year,
for durability, for light warmth, for vapour transport, for fit, for easy motion, and even for stink control. No pilling and the zippers still work.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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comprex, agreed. pam w, I have a bundle of Decathlon 200 weight fleeces, which are generally great and amazing value - but they don't breathe as well as my Patagonia R2s. And the zips/elastic don't last nearly as well. I have a Patagucci R2 I bought in 2000 that's still fine.
Although for breathability and warmth nothing beats my MH Monkeyman (it's probably 300 weight in warmth, although not in actual weight).
That said, Decathlon have re-released their mid weight underwear (which sold out globally my mid March last year) and I've just bought another 4 tops. Really, really work for me.
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Poster: A snowHead
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The Lands' End catalogue turned up on my doormat yesterday and they have lots of different sorts of fleeces - might be worth a look here.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I have several North Face TKA 100 type fleece tops.
They make a great Mid layer and casual top.
Cost anything from £25 to £40
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what about a montain or buffalo jacket with a pertex outer. get one for <£80 in climbing shops.
cheers
b ob
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Cheers for the info...
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DB, could you please link to the German site where they tested fleeces.
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snowman wrote: |
DB, could you please link to the German site where they tested fleeces. |
The monkey man came top in a couple of tests, to see the full detailed review you have to buy the magazine(s) where it was tested but one can normally get a good idea of what's good or not from the brief overview and rating of multiple tests
http://www.testberichte.de/test/produkt_tests_mountain_hardwear_monkey_man_p45087.html
click on "14 or 9 Produckte im test" to see what they were tested against. The better products are generally tipped for specific purpose/type (eg warmth, active; weight etc).
If you need any clarification/translation let me know.
Here's a list of some other fleeces that were tested (the lower the rating the better the product 1.0 = outstanding 5.0 = Poor, bad or not fit for purpose.
http://www.testberichte.de/f/0/1932/186793/1.html
Last edited by Then you can post your own questions or snow reports... on Thu 12-11-09 11:28; edited 1 time in total
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I guess it depends what you want it for?
I have some thin 100 weight fleeces I use for layering, never needed to wear more than one even under a shell
I have a windstopper fleece jackets (actually 2) I use as outer layers in the UK, travelling to resort
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DB, thanks, I was hoping that you would link to something from Stiftung Warentest as they are quite good at testing stuff.
I did a quick search myself and could only find some 2004 Oekotest review here:
http://www.oekotest.de/cgi/index.cgi?artnr=30909;bernr=10;seite=00;co=
Basically, they are saying that many fleeces are heavily loaded with all sorts of chemicals (and even heavy metals).
I guess it's probably best not to wear them next to one's skin.
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On the debate about windproof fleeces. I got one thinking it would be ideal. Sadly I found it too hot for much activity in the UK (although it's good for standing around it). These days I prefer to get a "normal" fleece and when need add a windproof of either a waterproof shell or a "windshirt". The windshirt I find great because it weighs almost nothing, doesn't take up much space, more breathable than a waterproof.
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