 Poster: A snowHead
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I'm looking to buy some All Mountain skis for an upcoming BASI 1 + 2 10-week Gap course.
I'm looking at the Elan Magfire 78 skis (£250 inc bindings) but have noticed that many skis have a "Ti" version if you're willing to pay more. What exactly does this mean, and do I need it?
Other options are Salomon X-Wing Tornado for £290 and Atomic Nomad Blackeye for £250, both inc bindings. Both have Ti versions for about £40 more.
Anyone have any experience with these or recommendations?
Cheers!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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musehead, I've skied the X-Wing Tornado in both versions. The Ti stands for Titanium, which makes it stiffer. I'd say it really depends on how heavy you are and how aggressively you ski as to which one to go for.
I haven't tries the other skis you mentioned, but I liked the Tornado's. HEAD's Supershape Magnum would be my choice however.
Good luck with the gap course.
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Thanks, i'm 75kg and around 5 foot 7 if anyone knows how that would affect me.
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musehead, TI does stand for Titanium in most skis. I have a pair of the magfire 12's and absolutley love them but I have also skied on the Tornados an awfull lot and bought a pair for my dad that they are that good.
Go for the TI version. Even if you are not heavy or aggresive they will be slighty stiffer at speed and more solid when you are doing high end stuff for your level 1 and 2/
Happy skiing
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musehead, for your weight you might be better off going for non-Ti if you're not already a pretty accomplished skier. Assuming that you're going for a GAP course because you need that length of time to hit the mark and not just because you want to party  , I'd say that an overly stiff ski will hold you back with the central theme stuff, bumps, variable snow, learning/developing railing/carving and other drills. If looking for a ski in that category, you might also want to consider the Head Peak 78 (this season's Monster 78 ). It has a smaller ski radius (171cm 14.5m) than the Tornado (166cm 15.6m) or Blackeye (171cm 17m), and also slightly smaller than the Magfire 78 (168cm 15m), which you may find helpful for some of the stuff you'll need to be doing. I've skied all except the Magfire 78 in those lengths but on different occasions and different conditions so's to make meaningful comparison difficult. I'd guess the Peak 78 or Tornado would be the pick but have also heard good things about the Magfire 78!
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musehead, slikedges, hijack alert! Sorry. My son is off to Canada to do his CSIA 1 and 2 in January. He is 6' ish, and built like a whippet (62kg - 9.5 - 10 st). The ideal would have been to get fitted out there but I understand because of fx movements, skis are more expensive out there than here. Research to date has come up with Nordica Hotrods, Apache Recons, or K2 Neos. Any views on these and the ones you mention above for his weight? Thanks
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noggy, Hotrods are a nice ski had them a year or two ago for a few days just to try them.
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slikedges, Sorry. It was Scott Neos of course - 78 underfoot, as the others. It was the Hotrod Nitrous I was looking at - 78mm also.
Last edited by You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net. on Mon 9-11-09 12:15; edited 1 time in total
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noggy, Neos in 166cm are 82mm underfoot. In the 176 your son might need 83mm. But even in 156cm they're 81mm! At least that's what the blurb I have says.
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slikedges, Ah yes - you re right. 82mm. But is 4mm noticeable? Would have thought he would ski 166cm, being light.
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noggy, at this width 4mm is definitely noticeable. Not very sure on the length to be honest. Weight is the main determinant but I think height does have an effect as well. Is there a chance he could try different lengths out on a ski test? There's one at MK this Saturday.
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slikedges, Unfortunately he's working on Saturday - needs to get some spending cash for the course - otherwise that would have been ideal of course.
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You know it makes sense.
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musehead, It's a sales gimmick that denotes a stiffer version of the same model ski.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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slikedges, Thanks, just had a look for the Head Peak 78 but it's some £200 more expensive than the Magfire. Not sure if I could justify the price difference! The XW Tornado is a similar price online (£450 ish) but I can get is cheaper through a friend.
I'll probably go for the Magfire.
I've been recommended to look for 70-80mm underfoot and apparantly 170cm is suitable for most guys. So the Magfire 78mm and 168cm looks suitable.
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Poster: A snowHead
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musehead, I haven't skied the Nomads but have had some fun with both the other skis you mention without the Ti option. I'm a fairly ahem enthusiastic skier built rather more AHEM sturdily than you, and I would say either ski offers enough stiffness. If you want an all-out high-speed ski these are the wrong models anyway. Gut feel (and without checking my reviews on  ) I would say the Elan shades the Salomom for my style of skiing, but as ever with these things, you need to try them yourself.
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