Poster: A snowHead
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wow some folks here must have pangs of guilt to get so heated about it, and everyone has perfect kids dont they, aint that the problem.
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laundryman wrote: |
pam w wrote: |
well said, queen bodecia. Watching the wee skiers is one of the great pleasures of a ski resort. Out of control kids - or yobbish adults - are a bore anywhere. But my idea of absolute hell would be one of those Warners holiday camps which prohibit kids, and where a load of elderlies get overdressed and over madeup to overeat every night and then sit fatly around watching the "entertainment". The only worse thing for me would be a cruise, where you can't even escape up a hill. |
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We never take summer holidays any more as they impact on the winter budget but always get 2 or 3 camping weekends away over the summer. I was party to some particularly disturbing behaviour this summer by farty types hushing mine and other family groups as if some exciteable chatter around a bonfire or disposable BBQ after 9 pm was somehow not part of the experience that'd been painted in the Sunday Telegraph or Observer colour supplement 'Guide to Farty Camping'. Next year I'll remember to take some packets of earplugs to offer to the complainer but it strikes me that like child-free holidays generally, there've been so many camp sites springing up in the last 10 years or so to cater for intolerant dinkys and elderly people that if these same people can't get a life, they should just sod off and allow others to get on with their own. I'm sure that these same (young, middle-aged and old) farts remonstrating at youngsters intruding into their little bubbles will whinge at the temerity of ne'er-do-wells and their feral offspring interacting with their space anywhere, notwithstanding the snowsports world.
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moffatross, we live in a quiet and wide cul-de-sac, where it is quite safe for kids to play on the road, which they do frequently in the summer, in groups of up to about 10 (ours used to, when they were kids). I love hearing the sounds of kids innocently enjoying themselves, but we had a curmudgeonly neighbour, a few doors down (who had kids himself, whom we never saw) who used to shoo them away.
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Guvnor,
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The worst examples of child behaviour I have seen are from kids who obviously have a nanny at home and Mum and Dad don't have a scooby doo how to control them or how to set limits.
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moffatross, rest assured, you will never find me on a camping holiday.
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particularly disturbing behaviour this summer by farty types hushing mine and other family groups as if some exciteable chatter around a bonfire or disposable BBQ after 9 pm was somehow not part of the experience that'd been painted in the Sunday Telegraph or Observer
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Depends how much past 9 we are talking Even normal conversation carries on a campsite, particularly if fuelled by a few beers. I have no problem with it up to a point and that point is generally about 11pm. After that I don't think it is unreasonable to ask people to keep the noise down to an acceptable level.
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Why dont you stop sticking your nose in what other people chose to do in their holidays and just crack on with your own?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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The worst examples of child behaviour I have seen are from kids who beat up and kill innocent members of the public on the streets. I doubt any of them had a nanny.
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Pam - not all of us have a grandparent to take on holiday..
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snowymum, no indeed, and that's why I noted that taking 3 small children on holiday in "nuclear family" mode is very, very, hard work. I don't think I'd have done it - if I hadn't had a grandparent willing to help then, as I could not ever have afforded Esprit, I don't think we'd have gone. I was absolutely not blaming parents who want some help - and now that I'm the granny I am delighted to be able to be the helper - and a skiing one, moreover, willing to spend the entire day if necessary hauling kids round the free beginner lift. Indeed, I've been in the ski schooljust this morning booking private lessons at a cost of 270 euros - with the moniteur "le plus sexy" for my daughter in law and "tres sympa, avec quelque mots d'Anglais" for the grandchildren. We are, as I noted, lucky to be able to do this - for those young parents with the money, and without the grandparents, the family holiday specialists must be a godsend.
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You know it makes sense.
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The last time I stayed in a tent was an over night stop at Headcorn airfield before flying to Abbeville, about 5 years ago. It was my first channel crossing and I was both nervous and excited. The person in the next tent, a fellow pilot, snored so loudly that I barely got any sleep at all. I vowed I would never sleep in a tent again. Kids chatting and laughing at 22h00 would have been no bother at all.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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moffatross, I have a simple rule on campsites - if someone keeps me up past midnight, I send the kids to play outside their tent at about 5am
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Poster: A snowHead
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I suppose my only experience of British kids in a ski resort was my trip to Kitzbuhel in March 2008. I booked the only single room in the Crystal chalet and as it was quite a late booking (6 weeks before departure) I didn't have much choice of accommodation. The TO advised me the chalet had a large party booking of families with children so I was apprehensive. However, I was pleasantly surprised. The group was of six families from Bristol with 11 children ranging from 4 to 16 years of age. They were all lovely polite children and I was happy to ski and take mealtimes with them and their parents.
Last season in Courmayeur there was a group booking of 20 or so students aged 17/18 in our hotel. Granted they were rather noisy, but were pleasant and friendly and the evenings in the bar were rather fun. By contrast their tutors were fusty old fuddy duddies who complained about everything.
Unless you stay in a remote cabin miles from civilisation on a ski trip, you'll encounter plenty of other holidaymakers of all ages. Being friendly and welcoming often provokes a similar response from others.
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queen bodecia wrote: |
Unless you stay in a remote cabin miles from civilisation on a ski trip. |
Did that last season - had to dig through several feet of snow to get to the front door!
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Just to clarify my standpoint, I don't have kids of my own (yet..), I don't give a flying fig what you do with your kids on holiday, either in term time or school holidays, and regularly ski with friends' kids (and other holidays too) and always have a great time.
However, if they spill my pint whilst running amok in a bar, or start moaning at me for smoking outside in a recognised smoking area, then I may not be able to resist teaching them some key phrases which will shock Grandma
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Boris wrote: |
moffatross, I have a simple rule on campsites........... |
Me too. I don't go
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Frosty the Snowman wrote: |
The worst examples of child behaviour I have seen are from kids who obviously have a nanny at home and Mum and Dad don't have a scooby doo how to control them or how to set limits. |
Seconded,
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You guys need to get out more...
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Family-friendly places are great to have because of the potential flexibility they offer. Like all-you-can-eat though, you're not supposed to sit there and stuff your face all day. There's a right balance for each that'll be a little one way for some and a little the other for others. The kids were entertained and ecstatic in the kids club at a club med but when away recently the kids club position had been overrun by Germans and they weren't taking any non-german speaking prisoners, so we were happy to have them to ourselves instead.
Couple of years running, I didn't ski with the kids at all for one week as I was doing an all day ski course myself, but as out for 2 weeks could make it up the second week. Only used a creche once and that was almost unwitting (thought they'd get ski lessons but they were token only) and half-day only. Other than that usual kids routine has been lessons am, skiing with bill payers pm. Kids did have all day ski school in Canada as so much better value than half-day, but then had more non-lesson days when we'd ski all day with them. I'm making snail like progress through BASI because I don't want to use my leave and not spend it with my kids, but I go away for a few ski weekends a year without them.
We've taken the kids out of school on hol at least 2 weeks each year since they started school, but will do so less now they're getting older.
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I notice OP has not bothered to contibute any further to this thread aside from his original provocative and sanctimonious post.
Personally, I wouldn't consider a holiday a holiday unless i get some free time to myself and with my husband. So we're happy to dump our children into Kids Clubs and they're happy to ditch us for the activities and the new friends they make while there.
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notice OP has not bothered to contibute any further to this thread aside from his original provocative and sanctimonious post.
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Yes...
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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The OP drops in now and then and generally leaves something thought provoking. What else is there to talk about. The season is so close and yet so far. Chill peeps.
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You know it makes sense.
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Frosty the Snowman, seems to me that the reaction says something about how insecure people are about how they are seen to raise their children.
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thefatcontroller, run off my feet actually, hence the brief posts
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Poster: A snowHead
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if they... start moaning at me for smoking outside in a recognised smoking area, then I may not be able to resist teaching them some key phrases which will shock Grandma
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yes, I read about someone like that on a train a couple of months ago. When a fellow traveller asked him politely to stop smoking in the carriage the guy started swearing and lashing out at people. Yobs, wherever you look!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Lizzard, People are very sensitive about how they bring up their kids. IMHO It should always come above politics and religion as a discussion topic no no.
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Frosty the Snowman, the fact that politics is such a taboo subject for conversation possibly goes some way towards explaining why we're lumbered with a parliament full of dishonest mediocrities. It ought to be a compulsory subject for discussion if you ask me. Beats talking about kids and schools and childcare and ................. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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Frosty the Snowman, it was up north, that's why I moved south
Lizzard, fact is that antisocial behaviour, just the same as violence, criminality, psychological and social problems, are all commoner in the poor than the rich. It would be reasonable to expect the problems to start with the circumstances of their upbringing and my experience is that this is very much true. That's why it is so important to address the issues that give rise to these problems. Kids from richer families are likely on average to have had better role models and opportunities so ridiculous to suggest that they'd on average be worse behaved. Just as ridiculous to suggest that all kids from poor homes are nasty little oiks and all kids from rich homes are perfect little angels. There are lots of dysfunctionals on both sides of the divide. BTW we don't have a nanny and are privileged to be able to spend plenty of time with our kids.
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pam w, which bit of my smoking outside in a recognised area gave you the impression that I would insist on smoking in areas where such an activity is forbidden, and then that I might resort to violence if challenged?
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slikedges, I was merely suggesting that wealthy background doesn't necessarily equate to well behaved kids - you only have to spend an afternoon in Val d'Isere to appreciate this. I had nothing to say about antisocial or violent behaviour and its assumed relationship with poverty, which is too complicated to get into in the context of a thread which is largely about merely naughty children and their allegedly slightly cr@p parents.
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I generally find that oiks breed vicious little hooligans and toffs breed spoilt brats. There's a small group in-between, consisting of people much like me and the majority of snowHeads, whose offspring are models of politeness and consideration. That's what we all think isn't it?
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laundryman, correct. That's why I've ended up with vicious little hooligans.
ADHD, don't you just love it.
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Lizzard, I'd like to see what val despair would be like with a majority proportion of kids from poor backgrounds Children who are naughty enough to make people complain on the interwebby about them probably are (or were being) antisocial.
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