 Poster: A snowHead
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Clearly, an important topic. Is one manufacturer better than another? I always liked the Marker, ESS VAR, and Tyrolia systems best-they were really exciting.
I know manufacturers spend squillions on 'R & D' on this sort of thing but I am convinced the Salomon ones are really boring. I have five pairs of skis in my garage and I spent all last night conducting inconclusive tests. Can anyone help me?
If in doubt, always put a bit of olive oil on your AFD: it makes crashing and exiting your bindings so much more fun.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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kevin mcclean, at one stage LOOK came with fluo yellow ones, instead of the boring black or white we all have to live with today.
I bought myself a little stash of them, they're as handy for glueing on top of the dull ones as they are for moving furniture. You need to be very careful with the binding height adjustment however, and they're no good with touring rigs.
Perfect for sliding the baby grand round the room though.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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What is AFD 
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anotherproblem, Anti Friction Decive I thinik it a little blak or white horizontal strip on the toe piece of your binding that aids exit from the skis when required.
Hope I am right or else
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I've never even noticed it before *hangs head in shame*
On that note, I shall leave this thread and not return
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anotherproblem, me too
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kevin mcclean, Much respect, this is fine tuning to the max.....
or the developing stages of OCD
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kevin mcclean, I was told that the Head/Tyrolia system was the best - something to do with it being a moving track rather than a 'fixed' strip. I didn't particularly ask, I was just told.....
You really need to get out more.....
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| Ordhan wrote: |
anotherproblem, Anti Friction Decive I thinik it a little blak or white horizontal strip on the toe piece of your binding that aids exit from the skis when required.
Hope I am right or else |
Spot on
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Anti-Friction Device
Another important part of a Ski Binding is the anti-friction-device (AFD). The AFD is a small smooth pad directly behind the toe-side piece that minimizes friction if the toe-side piece is released sideways. You need to make sure that there is at least 1 mm of free space between the sole of your boot and the AFD. Most AFDs simply use a smooth surface but some more advanced models use mechanical moving parts to make sure the boot rolls or glides sideways if needed. |
http://www.abc-of-skiing.com/whatareskibindings.asp
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Fine i'll bite.
I would avoid moving parts, incase they get frozen or jammed with grit... then they are just sticky pads helping to break your knees
EDIT: boring ADFs from salomon.... who makes exciting ones? I think you will still be cool if the bit that sits (covered) under your boot is not super funky.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Re: moving parts - never known a Tyrolia ABS roller or a Look/Rossi Axitec to sit fast. I've got 10 pairs of Head/Tyrolia/Fischer bindings with the ABS, so they'd better damn well work 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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squawker, Ahh but you wont know while your actually skiing, only when you take your boots off. This is why uncool ADFs are as dangerous as drug driving, identity fraud and tamiflu combined!!!
I have a few moving ones as well, so I hope there ok too, lets be honest I have never bought/not bought a binding based on the ADF used, they all pass lots of safety tests, i trust them far more than my skiing.
edit: I realise i just contradicted myself. advice still stands if you care enough about ADFs, but i think its a pretty irrelevant point
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I don't care about how cool these things are, I don't need anything to look cool.
I AM COOL 
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You know it makes sense.
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squawker, When you mention roller, do you mean those rubber band types? We had some pretty old skis with them on and the rubber had perished slightly and lost some of their flex making it pretty tough to move from side to side.
Are AFDs really that important? They seem like a bit of a gimmick to me. Surely if there's enough force to twist the toe piece then there's going to be enough force to overcome any sort of friction with the boot sole.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Don't forget the olive oil-it's vital.
Lacking this, any other lubricant would suffice, even those manufactured by the LRC.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| el nombre wrote: |
squawker, When you mention roller, do you mean those rubber band types? We had some pretty old skis with them on and the rubber had perished slightly and lost some of their flex making it pretty tough to move from side to side.
Are AFDs really that important? They seem like a bit of a gimmick to me. Surely if there's enough force to twist the toe piece then there's going to be enough force to overcome any sort of friction with the boot sole. |
The Tyrolia ABS-style AFD is shown here:
http://www.tyrolia.com/public/ski-bindings/safety-features/abs-anti-blocking-system/index.html?L=0
Its used on pretty much all Tyrolia, Head, Elan and Fischer bindings except the el-cheapo beginner models, some Peaks/Mojos and the top end, race only models (FF Pro 18, dX10, Z18 etc.).
I wouldn't underestimate the importance of the AFD. Bindings toes are designed to release sideways at the appropriate DIN setting in an as close to frictionless environment as possible. Damaged or malfunctioning AFDs will prevent that, and your tib, fib and soft knee tissue will likely pay the price.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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That sounds good! Everyone abandon their AFD forthwith!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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squawker, Makes sense i guess. Those are the AFDs i was referring to. A lot of them were as good as fully seized. They hadn't been looked after to be honest but i'm not sure they're the best out there.
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