Difference between Atomic Nomad Blackeye and Blackeye Ti

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Hi,

I've been looking at Fischer Watea 78's but on looking at some reviews the Atomic Nomad Blackeye also seems to get mentioned in the same breath. Anyway there seems to be two versions of the Blackeye. Can someone tell me the difference between the Blackeye standard version and the Ti version in practical terms. i.e. what difference it makes on the slopes ?

Also, any comparisons to the Fischer Watea's would be helpful.

I'm 6ft, 75Kg, upper Intermediate level and ski most of the time on pistes but do like bumps. Would also need the ski to hold a good edge on ice as well with no chatter (I wish my wife came with a no chatter option!)

Cheers and TIA

Andy

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I just bought the Ti version. Has an extra layer of titanium above the densolite foam core. Makes it stiffer, so has a bit more enery if you work it and a little calmer at speed

Still very light ski

I got the 171cm as i'm heavy at 88kg (198lbs) and 5ft 7"

I had Atomic Metrons before and love the edge grip atomics have

Love the colour and design too

Skiing it tomorrow for the first time, will let you know how it goes

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madmole, cheers. Did you consider the standard version ? It's just that the local Two Seasons has that one in stock and it's a little cheaper but obviously wouldn't compromise for the sake of £60-£70. Also, where did you buy them from ?

Have a good time tomorrow.

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pokemon, at your weight you'd be fine on the standard version so long as you don't go too short. Go for a length close to your height.

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spyderjon, do you think 171cm would be OK ? These came up to the height of my eyebrows in the shop yesterday, albeit I had normal shoes on and not ski boots.

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I did consider the normal version especially as you can get it £100 cheaper (whitemountainsports on ebay). But my last Metrons were Ti versions and I like the extra energy that brings (I can be pretty aggresive when carving)er

I think if you go for the Ti version 171 woulkd be ok as your lighter, but in non Ti I'd go the for the 178's as they will be softer (plus your geta little more float off piste)

I'm off to Hemel tonight for some coaching by spyderman. Obviously also playing with the new toys

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OK< Got to ski for 2 hours on the Atomic Nomad 171 Blackeye Ti 2010's (radius 17m) last night. My previous skis were Atomic Metron X beta pulse Ti in 157cm (Radius 11.5m)

First impression was they didnt turn as tight, Having used the metrons for 5 years I was used to the small radius, took a few runs to get used to that, also to get back into swing of things as I hadnt skied since march

After getting used to them I would say the following

1) They are much stiffer than the metrons, I would imagine the non Ti versions are closer to metron feel
2) They need a higher ground speed before they come alive
3) They are very damped compared to the metrons, when you hit small lumps with th emetrons they almost ring, the Nomads just absorb it
4) I didnt notice the extra length, they felt and responded like the shorter metrons

By the end of 2 hourrs I was begining to get a feel for then. I'd adjusted my turn curve and learnt to keep speed up and actively pressure them, when they responded

So yes, I'd say they will suit me as a replacement to the Metrons. They need positive input to respond, more so than the metrons (they are stiffer), They damp much better and are less bothered by lumps and bumps. The lighter weight offsets the extra length so they feel like a shorter ski.

I would say that lighter skiers would prefer the non Ti version as it will require less work to get the best from it (I'm 198 lb, 88 Kg)

Also big thanks to Spyyderman for not laughing at my lack of style and grace and improving my technique substantially in less than a hour!

madmole, given your comments would you say that the standard version in a 171cm length for me (183cm tall, 75kg) would be OK ?

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I would say they will be perfect. I'm 20Kg heavier and can just about flex the Ti versions. I think you would struggle with the stiffer ones at lower speed

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madmole, cheers. I actually email Atomic and they recommended the Nomad Smoke Ti in a 171cm length, as I said I ski maily on piste and a 76cm width would be better than 78cm. They also said the standard one would be too soft for me but that may just be in the Smoke ski and not the Blackeye. Sounds like I should really test them. Too many choices and I guess given the quality of the hire skis I normally get, any of them would be better.

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I was very suprised how well the 79cm Waisted Blackeye turned, especially when compared to the very narrow Metrons, That wont be an issue for you, the ski is very easy to edge and turn side to side. (mainly cos it doesnt have that huge front shovel that acts as a stabiliser)

Yes the smoke is less stiff than the blackeye, so the Ti version will be probably similar to the Blackeye non Ti

Oh and the black/red of the blackeye looks good

I would imagine the smoke suits perfectly you now and you are at the bottom of the suitability of the blackeye. If you change your skis each year go smoke, if you want a single ski to last a few years go blackeye (easpecially if you think you may start to play off the edges a bit)

madmole, thanks for your comments and advice

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