 Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Hi Dave, I'm no expert, but that sounds a pretty good fit to me.
You may be tightening the lowest two buckles too much though. You only need to have very light pressure on those two, so try it again with them really slack. Also, there's no substitute for time on the snow. Your feet will bed into the liner more quickly when you're skiing and become more confortable. But if they're willing to cook them for you for free then go for it.
Custom footbeds are a good upgrade, but not crucial. They're a moulded insole that replaces the one currently sitting in the bottom of the liner - they just pull out.
If I were you, I'd try them on the next trip and see how they feel after a bit of use.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| d2dja wrote: |
| ...The ski boots I bought have thermal heat liners and I haven't had them moulded yet ... |
There's your problem in one. Get 'em cooked!
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Hi Dave
I'm no expert either but have read elsewhere that if you are not actively skiing in ski boots then it can be quite a common occurance to get some numbness, especially if you are not in a skiing posture.
I think the problem will get less as the boots pack out and would go for a good orthotic rather then custom molded and save yourself some dosh. With the money saved go for a couple of hours at an indoor or artificial slope which will give you a much better idea of if your boots are going to give you problems when away.
Lots of very experienced peeps on here and might be worth dropping a PM to CEM or another specialist.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Thanks for the advice guys, you've been very reassuring.
Anyone got any recommendations for a good orthotic footbed?
Many Thanks.
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d2dja, Remove all doubt by visiting CEM (Colin Martin) at www.solutions4feet.com
Colin has a huge following on snowHeads because apart from the obvious he isn't in the business of selling gear to achieve a corporate target and thus won't sell you anything you don't need.
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Sounds like more good advice, I'll ping him a message.
Thanks again.
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| ledge wrote: |
| I think the problem will get less as the boots pack out and would go for a good orthotic rather then custom molded and save yourself some dosh. |
I appreciate the thought, but the wrong orthotic footbed can cause you as many (if not more) problems than not having one.
Apologies, d2dja, but I'm going to be a bit negative here...
Frankly, I'm surprised (actually disgusted) that the ski shop didn't do a shell check, discuss footbeds or heat mould the liners.
My experience of heat moulded liners is that they typically feel uncomfortable until they're moulded. If your boots feel comfortable as soon as you put them on and the boots aren't moulded then I'd suspect they're a too big.
My experience is also that, if you feel you rushed the purchase, then you almost certainly did. (We've all done it.)
The key reason for saying that is that when you try on any ski boot you need to leave it for 10-15 minutes to settle down. You're looking for the feeling of a firm handshake after that 10-15 minutes with no specific numbness.
There are all sorts of reasons that the circulation could be being cut off and it's worth saying that just because they do make your feet numb, ironically they still might be too big for you.
Without wishing to be overly negative I'd suggest you go back to the shop and reconsider the purchase. Get them to mould the boots. When they mould them they should put pads around your toes, outside of the ankle bone and along the artery on the top/outside of the foot.
(I've heard this said in a ski shop so just in case...) Just because they heat mould the liner for you that doesn't make the boot unsaleable. All they have to do to undo the moulding is heat the liner up again and leave it without a foot in it.
(If you were a friend I'd suggest taking the boots back, complaining and getting a refund.)
Sorry if this comes across as overly negative - it's honestly not intended to be.
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Oh and do speak to CEM. Great guy.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| FlyingStantoni wrote: |
| ledge wrote: |
| I think the problem will get less as the boots pack out and would go for a good orthotic rather then custom molded and save yourself some dosh. |
I appreciate the thought, but the wrong orthotic footbed can cause you as many (if not more) problems than not having one.
Apologies, d2dja, but I'm going to be a bit negative here...
Frankly, I'm surprised (actually disgusted) that the ski shop didn't do a shell check, discuss footbeds or heat mould the liners.
My experience of heat moulded liners is that they typically feel uncomfortable until they're moulded. If your boots feel comfortable as soon as you put them on and the boots aren't moulded then I'd suspect they're a too big.
My experience is also that, if you feel you rushed the purchase, then you almost certainly did. (We've all done it.)
The key reason for saying that is that when you try on any ski boot you need to leave it for 10-15 minutes to settle down. You're looking for the feeling of a firm handshake after that 10-15 minutes with no specific numbness.
There are all sorts of reasons that the circulation could be being cut off and it's worth saying that just because they do make your feet numb, ironically they still might be too big for you.
Without wishing to be overly negative I'd suggest you go back to the shop and reconsider the purchase. Get them to mould the boots. When they mould them they should put pads around your toes, outside of the ankle bone and along the artery on the top/outside of the foot.
(I've heard this said in a ski shop so just in case...) Just because they heat mould the liner for you that doesn't make the boot unsaleable. All they have to do to undo the moulding is heat the liner up again and leave it without a foot in it.
(If you were a friend I'd suggest taking the boots back, complaining and getting a refund.)
Sorry if this comes across as overly negative - it's honestly not intended to be. |
Thanks for your comments, I really appreciate everyones opinion.
I think the ski shop sensed I was an easy sell and went at my excited pace rather than following the correct procedure. For what it's worth I'm going back on Saturday to have them fully sized and heat moulded. Can anyone tell me what the moulding process involves? (thanks FlyingStantoni for the tips about padding), and also how much of a difference will it make?
I'm fairly confident I've actually got a really good fitting boot, mainly because it's too tight at the moment but having read all the great info there is available on here I've done all the suggested checks and everything appears fine. I suppose the only reason I'm a bit worried is because I had a really bad experience with boots a few years back and it's made me paranoid.
I'm going to wait until I've had my liners moulded and wear them in the house for a while to see if I think I need a footbed (sounds like it'll be a good idea anyway!), and if so pop round to Bicester for a custom made one, it's about a 200 mile round trip but I'm hoping these boots will last me a very long time so I think it's worth it.
Many Thanks again.
Dave.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Your feet will move so you may well want to mould your boots again when you have new footbeds.
Here's how my liners were moulded at Lockwoods:
removed liners from boots an socks from feet
used double-sided tape to stick footbeds to bare feet
fitted neoprene caps over toes (ex wet suit bootees ?)
applied sticky foam pads to pressure points
fitted very thin sock to hold the lot in place
cooked liners
- then, one foot at a time
wrapped liner over foot making sure the heel was well banged down
covered the liner in another thin sock
covered that in a foot-shaped thin plastic bag so that we could…
slip everything into the shell
banged heel down hard again
clipped boot up with moderate tension
- same with other foot then
stood up and walked about for 15 minutes
I now bake my own. I've modified this procedure slightly and use only light tension to buckle the boots and I stand still with a block of wood under the toes while they're cooling.
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Hi Guys,
Just thought I'd post an update.
I decided not to go back to the shop I bought my boots from. Instead I went to Snow and Rock in Romford and I must say I am delighted with the service I received. I went in for a custom footbed, but whilst I was there James (the guy that helped me) did a full boot size check, which luckliy showed I had the correct size boot. He also heat moulded my liners and heated the shell to allow slightly more room for my toes.
After slightly under an hour and a half I left with boots that feel brilliant and all for the price of a set of footbeds!
I would happily recommend James to anyone..
Thanks to everyone on here that's given me advice.
Dave.
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