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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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JT, It is quite simple - yes he is a skier and a well known journalist. Some people dared express the opinion that article contains nothing surprising (I think it was actually pretty good if patchy), and that he seems to have a hard-on for Vaujany. (A quick google of - hardy vaujany - seems to back this up).
But then some muppet strides in saying we don't tug our forelocks to Mr Hardy enough...
I think there is more hostility towards the muppet than Mr Hardy.
Trouble is - in any subject one actually knows anything about - the journalists usually get it completely wrong, or have a totally biased agenda - and yet we tend to trust them in subjects we don't know anything about.
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Dave Spart
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| stoatsbrother wrote: |
he seems to have a hard-on for Vaujany. (A quick google of - hardy vaujany - seems to back this up).
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Indeed. Ski Peak is the associated plug for Vaujany.
Hardy put his name on the Good Ski Guide after a couple of its founders moved on to 'Where to Ski'.
The Good Ski Guide limped on for years after it passed its sell-by date with precious few changes year on year. I think SCGB may now have some involvement with it, instead of The Consumers Association (Which Magazine).
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| killjoyben wrote: |
stoatsbrother, I do not know who Mr B Clatworthy is, so I assure you I am not him.
T Bar, "Abuse" is a strong word to throw around don't you think? My tone of response is really quite appropriate given your knee jerk accusations of using a pseudonym to express my self!
For the record you all sound so bitter about life on here, I have really never heard so much complaining on the subject of skiing (and half of the posts on this thread are unrelated to my argument)! Look at how much ranting my one line comment generated, that is ridiculous. I will not be posting on here any time soon but try to all chill out a bit and enjoy your skiing. |
Given that your "one liner" was pure abuse (of the entire forum, no less), it is hardly surprising it got that sort of response.
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JT,
I think it was the same accident, he wrote some interesting stuff in the aftermath of it about his rehabilitation. It was obviously a very traumatic event.
Personally I have no particular quibbles with his journalism or what I have read of it, The Telegraph is not my regular read. I thought the response to the initial post was unnecessarily abusive and did little if anything to support the original article and its author which is what killjoyben subsequently claimed to be doing.
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| stoatsbrother wrote: |
| Trouble is - in any subject one actually knows anything about - the journalists usually get it completely wrong, or have a totally biased agenda - and yet we tend to trust them in subjects we don't know anything about. |
Today's Sunday Times was a case in point - Travel section, newbies want to learn to kitesurf and so the ST suggested Morocco as it's good for waves at this time of year.
Erm hello - would you set a bunch of beginner skiers off down a bumps run and get them to learn to snowplow - no you find a nice flat bit of piste and let them learn there. Ditto Kitesurfing.
Muppetts.
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T Bar,
yes, ... and I certainly remember the hospital and recovery story.
From my POV, I thought the initial post was a dig too far... but in itself could be ignored. If the article was deemed trash, then I would have left it at that.
I just don't get what all the fuss is all about... and I don't see why the other poster got so much flack,
altho I agree it wasn't the best entry ever made... I thought it dealt with the tone of the OP in kind, really..
As in the 1st was a cheap shot and the second was a clumsy response... but that should have been it... end of the story and thread.
Not sure this is worth talking about anymore, either. 
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JT,
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the initial post was a dig too far
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I'm afraid I disagree. The OP expressed, in her first two posts (the second of which you responded to yourself in no uncertain fashion) some legitimate criticism in a pleasant and polite, if slightly lighthearted, fashion, and that is more than can be said for the responses she got. This kind of bias/commercialism, which has often been a topic for discussion on this forum and elsewhere, is what most travel journalism is about, so far as I can see. As to the journalist in question having been injured in a ski accident - I'm not going to go and eat worms because I didn't happen to know that (I don't read the Torygraph) and it's totally irrelevant to the point at issue in any event.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| Hurtle wrote: |
JT,
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the initial post was a dig too far
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I'm afraid I disagree. ...... |
Be not afraid! Have courage! Speak up, speak up, speak up again! Even if you are wrong. 
I do wonder if there is some confusion in some post authors' minds between Peter Hardy and Arnie Wilson, concerning the La Grave tragedy.
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achilles,
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| Arnie Wilson, concerning the La Grave tragedy |
Ah, now I do remember reading about that. But that too has nothing to do with the legitimate (IMV) criticism which has, from time to time, been directed at his 'advertorial journalism'.
See here for the connection. It seems all three were involved in the same accident.
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You know it makes sense.
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Hurtle,
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It seems all three were involved in the same accident.
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Indeed. Read Arnie Wilson's book "Ski the World" I was on the same ski course as Peter Hardy (and his at the time young son) once, and he spoke a bit about it. He was one of the first helmet wearers I knew this side of the Atlantic. What surprised me though is that he didn't make his son, who was about 11 or 12 years old at the time, stop hairing around like a complete maniac! Maybe it paid off though as i think he is now a pretty good skier cross skier, but scared the rest of us!!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Hurtle, thanks for the link. I hadn't appreciated that Peter was with Arnie and Lucy at the time. I agree that the accident has little to do with current journalism - and criticism of it. I suppose defence of that has to some extent been motivated by respect for Peter as a skier. FWIW, I do think the tone of the original post -and thread heading was a little OTT - we all know how ski journalists have to function - and read between the lines - a bit like reading SCGB snow reports where there are some good snow to be found on North-facing slopes! However, I have been surprised at the hint of acrimony in some posts in this thread. I am also surprised this thread has lasted so long - but then, hey, I am posting here. 
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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just post on a forum of lower than average interest to the skiing population
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is this the remark people got all precious and defemsive about.... ?? I suspect so...and there is quite a bit of truth in that, IME..
Talked to some industry pofessionals and some have never heard of the forum, and those that have, recognise it for its business marketing properties only.
what is the last member count..? how many UK people go skiing this year... can't be bothered to look at the figures but I suspect that above statement is pretty near the mark..if not all over it...
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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JT, Hmm. Hadn't thought of that. Pretty much it is the only British ski forum for non-saisonairs. True it doesn't have many of the usual hallmarks of a good specialist forum - the operation is clunky, there is not much moderation to keep threads on-topic and merges where there are several on the same subject - heck, I am going OT here, as you have. As a consequence of the non-moderation, searching is a nightmare, and near useless when it comes to something like resort information - where I find myself going to the SCGB and j2ski. There is more than usual airhead discussion for a serious forum. All that said, it is the best place for web-minded skiers to get together and discuss skiing, and meeting up to go skiing. And TBH Apres can be a pleasant place to chat.
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JT, nope - it was the arrogant abusive little tosser telling us we should be chilling out and showing more respect to his god.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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This thread appears to have morphed into 'Let's moan about snowHeads'. Try the Suggestions forum, perhaps?
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Hurtle, no . BTDT.
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....and todays word is:- curmudgeon
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Frosty the Snowman,
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Frosty the Snowman, LMAO
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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I thought the article was reasonable enough and I'd as soon read about skiing than anything else. People on this forum should by definition be ultra keen and that collective knowledge is always going to be able to pick holes.
Is Peter Hardy the guy who used to write for The Times (?) and predicted that snowboarding was a passing fad and wouldn't last.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I'm sure Peter is a stand up guy and great skier and no doubt has many a tale to tell. However his print articles always come over to me as him having enjoyed some fine nosh and great wine on the terrace of an exclusive little refuge more than having really skied the place.
I think this is because skiing is instrinsically difficult to describe and make sound interesting in print - we went up here, we skied down there, it was untracked/perfectly groomed/stupendously mogulled, the snow was like angel's breath/concrete/standard European snow, I/my companions fell over/excelled ourselves, our guide was a legend/very supportive. Food, restaurants and hotels have obviously much more variety to describe.
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Dave Spart
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I'm sure Peter is a stand up guy and great skier and no doubt has many a tale to tell. However his print articles always come over to me as him having enjoyed some fine nosh and great wine on the terrace of an exclusive little refuge more than having really skied the place.
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That sounds Alistair (Scott ?) that used to write for The Sunday Times too.
Nice work if you can get it. Probably a friend/relative of the editor/owner
This is probably the same bloke, unless Alistair Scott is a common name for skiing bon viveurs :-
http://www.moreintelligentlife.com/story/haute-cuisine
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You know it makes sense.
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fatbob, its like trying to describe the delights of skiing to a non-skiier. I find it very hard to convince people who haven't skiied before how exhilarating it really is.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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Hi all, well I have read through this and tried to keep an open mind about Peter's articles. As someone earlier on pointed out, if you read newspaper articles about a subject you know a lot about, you realise quite quickly that a lot of what is written is personal opinion rather than cold hard facts, and a certain amount of "journalistic license" is always used.
then I read this article:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-1222838/Best-ski-resorts-Westendorf-Whistler-ready-lift-off.html
Towards the end, there is a comment about a new site:
SkiHolidays.comis a new agency with the software wizardry instantly to compare prices of different operators for comparable accommodation in the same resort.
Fair enough you say, except this website isn't up & running properly yet. So how can he know how good the site is? It smacks of helping a friend out with a link to their website!
But then, if I wrote for the broadsheets and if a friend asked me to help promote their site, I would probably oblige. However, I would probably check that a site is working before reviewing it on the Daily Mail website 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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FAQ
i don't see what is so funny about that 
