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scottydog, that's grossly unfair. Good luck with the recovery.
I cracked my collar bone in a ski fall about 25 years ago and I remember it taking quite a while to feel OK - it's known to be a bit of a persistent pain, so I'd be realistic. I certainly wouldn't put any money down right now. Hopefully you can wing it if everything calms down. Good luck.
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Depending on how much trauma to ligaments and soft tissue occurred and the direction of displacement (and how far displaced) anything from 2 months to 2 years or worse.
Don't panic, most displacements are simple and will be fine/100% with rest and physio, but you do need an accurate diagnosis of all the damage. It’s very rare to need or have surgical intervention and you will almost certainly recover all your strength and mobility. Just take your time and don’t risk further immediate damage.
It’s a bummer, but what you need to organise now is your treatment (try to get an MRI in France this week – ‘cos getting one as a ‘non-urgent’ in the UK will NOT happen if you’re NHS) and insurance claim (if any) refund your lift pass and ‘chill’
OR . . . grab your camera, hire some snowshoes and get up on the hill. You’re in a beautiful area, your legs work and there’s no point in sitting in a chalet spanking your keyboard. Bring us back some great pics of the area and conditions.
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The big question is how much worse would it get if you fell on it (or had someone crash into you).
I was taking it gently down a cat-track behind a gaggle of ESF kiddies last year in the 3V and a young snowboarder went smashing into the back of me. I fell really heavily on me shoulder and it flipping hurt !
The next day I couldnt lift my arm to more than about 20 degres away from my legs. A GP on holiday with us diagnosed muscular bruising and possible ligament stretching.
She said that I could damage it more if I fell heavily on it, but that the risk was not that great.
after two days off, I spent the rest of the week sking well within my limits and my technique actually improved loads because a) I was concentrating so hard on ii and b) I was sking in control everywhere !
Work out what the risks are and make an informed decision... It really tough luck, there is *nothing* more frustrating than being in a resort and not sking - except maybe being on a desert island seperated from another island by shark infested waters when you can just make out Kylie on the far shore !
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about 3ft to the fingertips!
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scottydog, bad luck there fella. I put my left shoulder out three times playing rugby and ended up having a "putty plat" of the ligaments to hold it in. I stopped playing when I still got pins and needles down the length of my arm after making tackles.
If it's you first dislocation they'll probably immobilise your arm for a while to allow scar tissue to form in the area of the joint, this helps hold it in later. But this will probably put you out for this season.
On the plus side, the longer you leave the shoulder before damaging it again the stronger the joint will be.
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marc gledhill, sounds like Jonny W, but I expect he's not half the player you are!
scottydog, bad luck -- hope it improves soon.
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scottydog, I dislocated my right shoulder playing hockey when I was 21. I was very sporty, played lots of racket sports, good standard cricket and hockey. Consultant advised that I just continued to play my sports and if the shoulder became a real problem then come back and we could discuss the options. So after 6 weeks of rest I started playing squash again and straight away the joint came out, left it a while and put it out playing badminton. Back to consultant who said he would do the plat job or pin it depending on what he found after cutting me open. And by the way there was a good possibilty that I would end up with restricted use of my arm.
I decided not to have the op as I could still play my main sports of Cricket and Hockey, although I could not and still can't throw a cricket ball so I took up wicket keeping. I gave up squash, tennis and badminton unless I played under or side arm only.
Skiing I have once re-dislocated the right shoulder and broke two ribs at the same time, this was about 10 years after the first dislocation.
Nowadays my shoulder joint sometimes seems to roll about a bit but goes back in place of it's own accord.
I often wonder if I should have had the op 26 years ago, too late now and to be honest the shoulder has not caused me too much grief.
No comfort to you I know but I thought I share my experiences with and you do have my sympathies.
CP
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Whatever the short term results, do loads of physio and weights to get back to being as strong as you were before. Mate of mine had the plat job and 20 yrs later dislocated his diving into a pool from the side. he was not a big one for the weights though
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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laundryman, too right, I could teach the man a few tricks (non legal though )
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[quote="Masque"] "It’s very rare to need or have surgical intervention"
I would dispute this comment. A consultant would advise anyone that plays sport seriously to have an repair done to prevent problems down the road. Sports people like rugby and soccer players normally get surgery once they do it or as soon as possible as the chance of reoccurence is high.
I speak from personnel experience here, having had many dislocations and three separate shoulder repairs between the ages of 22 and 28.
In this case I wouldn't be all doom and gloom but be aware that you must take care of it, do the correct recovery exercises, don't rush back into any activity with your shoulder and find a good chiropractor. This is very important and there will be nerve damage/problems after a dislocation and if you want to avoid surgery go to the chiropractor asap. Remember a stitch in time saves nine (or three in my case)!
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You know it makes sense.
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i had my shoulder pinned in June and took 8 weeks off work ( spent the last 2 decorating and fitting a new boiler) so there is hope for you , just dont rush the recovery but DO any excercises your physio recomends on the downside i'm off to see the specialist next week as i now have problems with my other shoulder( dont remember injuring it tho)
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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My wife is a physio, and she's telling me that you'll be about 3 weeks in a sling, then you'll start gentle movements, and you won't be fixed until sometime around April-May.
Sorry for the bad news!
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Poster: A snowHead
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Bad luck.
I wouldn't dispute any of the medical information, but bear in mind that shoulders seem to take longer to heal than other bits of you. You do need proper diagnosis of the damage and really good physio - don't take any of the NHS "get you fit to fly a desk" nonsense - if necessary pay for it. I had a shoulder injury about 20 years ago (dislocated and popped straight back in seemingly but damaged the nerves), and only recently has it been diagnosed that my shoulder muscles are too short and for 20 years I've been using my shoulder blade to move the shoulder! Well, now I'm doing the exercises and hopefully will eventually get full movement back (it bloo*y hurts though).
Get as much done in France as possible as they're much better than the NHS!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Peter Ross, scottydog, I had a glass of plonk last night with our local senior consultant, he says (in the E.Anglia areas) that class 1 & 2 displacements are almost never surgically intervened unless there is blood supply/nerve function impediments or floating cartilage debris in the ‘joint’.
Class three displacements (the worst) are often left, as surgical repair sometimes leaves restricted movement and less ultimate strength. But leaving it up to time, natural healing and physio can require intervention in later life (dependent on lifestyle).
Class three cont. However, women will almost always be repaired for cosmetic reasons and professional sportspeople are often repaired to shorten the recovery time. And if you’re insured . . . It’ll be done for the money.
He thinks the ratio is about 5% repair -v- nature.
I think the consensus above is take it easy, don’t re-injure it, get as much (and as many) professional opinions as possible to give you the most informed choice for your recovery and work hard (and carefully) on your physio. You’ll be back on the snow before the end of this season.
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Bad luck, I feel for you scottydog. I've broken and dislocated both my shoulders, playing football. I went skiing six weeks after, however, it was too soon. I got away with it (just). As you have read above there are degrees of dislocation, get yourself to a good physio and be led by their advice as opposed to the hospital and even that dare I say that of a doctor.
Good luck.
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Cheers for all the advice! Will let you know how it goes after i fly back tomorrow.
ScottyDog
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Be careful about taking medical advice on the net. Masque, I suspect, knows a thing or 2. Ask your GP who'd (s)he want to deal with their shoulder, and request referral to them.
If you need to, and can, pay for a private consultation. It's generally £100 well spent.
ps hope you recover soon, and well.
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nickbunting, Not that much, I just fall (fell) down a lot over the years, but I do have the local boss bone doctor as a family friend and he's happy to bore the crap out of any victim over a bottle of wine - actually he's very interesting and has some incredibly funny stories and I did destroy mine a few years ado.
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Our daughter got "choppered" off a mountain 3 years ago with a dis-located shoulder. The Swiss hospital put her in a jacket with her arm strapped in it so she couldn't move it for over 3 weeks. After that she had frequent visits to a physiotherapist. The following season she was ski-ing OK but got the odd twinge even so.
Another daughter of a friend of ours had the same problem but after the dislocation didn't bother with the physiotherapy, the result being the the shoulder kept popping out with the slightest stress and in the end had to have an operation.
Clearly the moral here is take the inconvenience on the chin, and sort it out properly first time, with good treatment. Don't try to shrug the problem off, be patient, and (this is absolutely essential) get your self a physiotherapist who knows all about shoulders and ski injuries. Pay the price if that is what it takes!
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Don't try to shrug the problem off...... |
This is hard with a dislocated shoulder, trust me on this
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