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I was just about to book some EJ flights from Luton.
I don't think I'll risk it now!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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ousekjarr,
What I was getting was that we can't cancel our EJ flights yet or we would lose the money we paid, but, if we wait until December when they say they will make a decision it will be too late to get anything else at a reasonable price.
That really is a cynical ploy IMO. I think many people will be in this situation but will not be able to just write off the money they have given EJ so will just have to wait and see.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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ousekjarr wrote:
In 5 years time, I can see the number of airports with international scheduled flights being back in the low 20s as a result.
If the car hire crisis doesn't sort itself out soon and sterling remains at more or less parity with the euro (by the time you take into account the ever increasing exchange/withdrawal fees for using your plastic abroad) there may be only Heathrow and a few others left doing national carrier scheduled flights with first Ryanair (because they mostly use middle of nowhere airports) and then Easyjet having gone to the wall.
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the car hire crisis
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What's that then?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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andy, Prestwick has always done long haul, and for a long time was the only airport north of London offering it, but now it is almost entirely freight other than Ryanair. Glasgow has started opening up transatlantic flights now that the newer wide-bodied 2-engine jets can make it without needing a huge runway and a specialised terminal, but that's a recent development and while the expansion in 1989 allowed them to take 747s on 2 piers of the international terminal, it's a small part of the traffic through the airport. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_International_Airport for details. The biggest problem with Prestwick was the idea to call it Glasgow Prestwick Airport, when it is 29 miles from the city, compared to Glasgow Airport (now Glasgow International  ) which is 7 miles from the city and on the M8.
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| truffaut wrote: |
... there may be only Heathrow and a few others left doing national carrier scheduled flights with first Ryanair (because they mostly use middle of nowhere airports) and then Easyjet having gone to the wall. |
Well, as that will be after BA, Air France, Lufthansa, KLM and all the others, I'd think it more likely that Heathrow will close than Stansted or Gatwick. It used to be a nice airport in the right place (30+ years ago!), but now its a ghastly sprawling pile in the wrong place, and a nightmare to get to from anywhere other than central London.
I wonder if BA are regretting T5, and wishing they'd bitten the bullet and moved to Gatwick instead?
The one thing we can say with some certainty is that the only airlines to have come out of the recent problems with anything like a strategy for long-term survival are the low cost operators, who have to stay agile to stay alive. By the time BA turn the ship around, they'll have ceased to exist. Too many managers, unions, and other vested interests to permit them to make the changes they need to survive.
Wayne, I agree - but that's business. It has turned into a cutthroat market, and they're doing what they have to to survive. When the opposition are succeeding by being hard-headed/bloody-minded/nasty/greedy/unscrupulous (*delete as appropriate), there's always the temptation to do the same.
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the car hire crisis
What's that then?
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The suggestion is that there were not enough hire cars available in the iberian peninsula at peak times this summer, so there might not be enough at alpine airports this winter. Like the airlines the car hire firms are said to be cutting back on excess stock. May be true to some extent given the price hikes.
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| truffaut wrote: |
| (by the time you take into account the ever increasing exchange/withdrawal fees for using your plastic abroad) |
What are those then?
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| jonm wrote: |
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the car hire crisis
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What's that then? |
Something which will sort itself out fairly soon.
It is just that with the recession, plus the"scrappage" scheme, there have been a lot more small cars bought by the public, which together with car manufacturers reducing production, has resulted in a shortage of them for the car hire companies
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For the winter season do they simply transfer cars from summer airports to winter airports? Although I guess that would involve a ton af admin 
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i have 9 seats booked luton - geneva return in Jan and it's still taking bookings, i think they may reduce quiter routes but luton - geneva in ski season is always busy and I'm pretty sure quite profitable so can't see them pulling or reducing it.
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You know it makes sense.
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but you can still book flights for march from east mids to geneva on their website ?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Wayne wrote: |
But, if you wait till they do cancel any flight (December at the earliest) then you will not be able to find anything at a reasonable price.
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This is the problem, I was about to book flights from Luton to Geneva in October & January. Now I don't know what to do, if EJ don't give some indication soon on which flights are going to be cut, they are likely to lose custom (such as mine!).
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Poster: A snowHead
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My group have bought 6 EasyJet tickets to and from Luton/Turin for late January, to go to the Haute Maurienne and 6 more to Turin at the start of March to go to Montgenevre. This is very worrying - there are not that many alternatives and none anything like as cheap.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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EJ has said it may scale back up to 20% of flights from Luton - however why would they scale back on their most popular routes such as Geneva? Isn't it more likely that they scale back on less popular destinations (Faro, Sardinia, Pisa, Menorca etc?) - I've booked about 5 flights to GVA over winter so I hope I am right!!!!! 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I have booked flights for feb half term from EMA to Venice for the Dolomites and have had the dreaded email from EasyJet saying they are reviewing operations from EMA in the New Year and I will receive a further confirmation email at the beginning of December.
So realistically what am I to expect?
Refund or offer of alternative flights from another airport?
This self booked malarchy isn't straightforward is it. I have accomodation and transfer arranged through Colletts and balance will be due in December?What to do??
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Armitageblue, panic.
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| achilles wrote: |
| Armitageblue, panic. |
panicking won't help my 10 year old's disappointment tough.
I know you were joking but have you anything constructive to offer?
Should I bite the bullet now and book a different (costly) holiday? or wait?
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I've thought was inevitable that EJ would be making swathing cuts to its forward operating plans after the Boardroom hiatus last year ( Stelios anti-growth at any cost , AH arguing for market share) . I suspect it was just a matter of time - and this summer's surplus capacity - before we saw some fall out. Neither am I surprised that 3rd parties are blamed .. 'Not Our Fault' is pretty normal in all businesses but particularly aviation - APD is a bit weak though!
Their decision to close EMA appears a good one. They appear to mirror BMI's route structure and obviously not sound enough for them both. BMI may have appeared like a lame duck a year ago but under LH's ownership a totally different beast. EJ must be assuming that LH will attempt to strengthen EMA as well as exploit the LHR slots, a brave call by EJ.
The scaling back at Luton ( their main base) can only be 'Demand' ... it is a variable cost to EJ although an absolute reduction in revenue for the airport operator. Without that revenue the operator will be under pressure to put airport charges up .... but full marks for the airline for attempting to turn it into a negotiation!
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Armitageblue, I don't think there is anything much constructive to say. I think you could well get caught out with EJ. I am not so clear as Argenterre that BMI are out of the woods, in that Lufthansa may well want to sell of bits of BMI. That said, I suppose you could make it an each-way bet by booking with them as well.
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Armitageblue, Why not wait? Early december still gives you loads of time so why throw away good money ... yet.
- Why not research other airlines flying to Venice ( and other gateways you are prepared to accept like Linate) ... then you have a back up plan, just in case.
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achilles, All I'm saying that BMI are significantly less likely to 'fail' which they may have before. Even LH didnt want to pick up their 'options'. EJ obviously feel that BMI will get stronger at Castle Donington .. I dont know nor know what Brussels will say about their buying up so many airlines at the moment.
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Agenterre, I wondered along your lines, but noted that the flights were fro February half-term. The worry is that alternative flights may be either booked out, or very expensive, by the time EJ pulls the plug, if it does.
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Agenterre, sorry - my last post was a cross post with yours.
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since booking i have noticed that the Thomas cook flight to Turin Sunday week before easter appears booked up now
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So BMI have released flights from East Mids to Venice today and I can book for feb half term £375 for 2 return flights to replace the Easyjet flights. What should I do? What would you do? Help!!
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You know it makes sense.
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Armitageblue, I would wait and look at my options on the basis that I will get there somehow. But I'm me ... I only ever book flights up to a week ahead of time.
If I were you, I I would book the BMI-baby flights and hope that they are still operating in 5 months time. I would then 'hope' that EJ coughed up when they finally declare their operating plans and treat that as a risk. My logic for you would be that you are so worried you might as well do it now and stop worrying ...
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| 1556garyt wrote: |
| EJ has said it may scale back up to 20% of flights from Luton - however why would they scale back on their most popular routes such as Geneva? Isn't it more likely that they scale back on less popular destinations (Faro, Sardinia, Pisa, Menorca etc?) - I've booked about 5 flights to GVA over winter so I hope I am right!!!!! |
Less popular for whom? Skiers and people working there maybe. They cut the Newcastle- GVA flight from all year round to summer only, and replaced it with flights to Mahon. I doubt Mahon, Pisa and Sardinia will operate during the winter anyway . Faro is a popular winter destination for golfers.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Helen Beaumont, Yep .. it all depends how the whole structure fits together/ available slots/ aircraft utilisation/ yields/costs/ staff rosters/demand profiles/competitor activity etc .... loads of constraints ( or opportunities if you will!).
PS .. Airline Growth is easy to manage .. contraction is not, as suddenly all those variable costs suddenly become fixed !
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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BMI Baby are operating the would-be easyjet for EOSB route from East Midlands, I just checked tonight and the fares are pretty good, I hope they don't fold too!
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crazy_skier_jules, even the flight times are almost the same.
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crazy_skier_jules, unfortunately the BMIbaby EMA-GVA flights finish on 17th April so no good for EOSB, but good for other times during the season. It seems many of Easyjets EMA routes are duplicated by BMIbaby.
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