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...then why not get a pair custom made for $333???!!!!!
Or even some "test ones" for $222... 
I'm almost tempted to order some for the craic.
There is, of course, a TGR discussion on these (the guy acquits himself very well) and also a thread on Telemark Tips.
So, given that you can order almost anything, what would you order?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I wouldn't know what to ask for. To decide camber, flex etc would require quite a bit of testing i'd say
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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This is ridiculously cool. I think I might have to get a pair.
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I have my own opinion about such things, and it's far from positive. If it's about design, then sure go for it. You will never find better option. But if graphic design of ski is last thing you care about, I would advise anyone to stay away from this. Even though skis might look like a bit bend piece of wood with some ptex on bottom, they are really a lot more then that. Big companies spend millions to develop something better and faster, with all support from racers, with support of computer programs which far beyond programs that normal people have or even heard of. And then on the other side you have someone doing this in home garage, without any support, without any real knowledge and experience. Do you really think results are anywhere near? 
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primoz, I'd have thought that 20 year manufacturing and design experience counts for something, even if it is a garage operation
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| primoz wrote: |
| And then on the other side you have someone doing this in home garage, without any support, without any real knowledge and experience. |
you should take a proper look at the website if you think he has no experience
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Cool for sure. Now, if I knew what to order......
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Ok maybe I have different opinion what "experience" is. Doing something, maybe even wrong way, for 20 years doesn't mean you have right experience  If nothing else, I have been "fixing" my bike for about 30 years, but I really don't consider myself as bike mechanic.
From his web, I really can't say much about all this, but in my opinion, and I know "a bit" about skis, big companies wouldn't be paying hundreds of people in R&D if things would be so easy It's not really easy to even just "copy" good skis. If it would be, believe me all racing skis would be exactly same, yet they are not.
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| FlyingStantoni wrote: |
| .....There is, of course, a TGR discussion on these |
There cerrtainly is
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| how about "You can request skis with exceptional torsional rigidity", well, I can request Jessica Alba naked in my bed, but how is that actually achieved? |
| FlyingStantoni wrote: |
| the guy acquits himself very well |
I think so, too.
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it's one thing talking about a racing program where you are trying to squeeze out the last 100th of a second. if you're building skis for freeskiing it's different. how come all these big companies with all their R&D were 2 or 3 years behind the indie mfrs when it comes to rocker, reverse camber and interesting sidecuts?
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Over the last 3 years or so I have not seen anything that the big ski manufacturers have produced that has been a significant improvement over previous models for the non-professional racing skier - for all the R&D. The guy does seem to know what he is talking about - and I really admire his enterprise. If I one lived in the States, and so did not face high shipping charges, duty, and VAT, I think I buying a pair of skis from him would be a reasonable punt.
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Big companies spend millions to develop something better and faster,
They sell a lot of shite too. Designed top be cheaper (to make) and faster off the shelves.
for my $333 I'd rather take a chance on his skis than buy something I knew to be shite.
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| Arno wrote: |
| it's one thing talking about a racing program where you are trying to squeeze out the last 100th of a second. if you're building skis for freeskiing it's different. how come all these big companies with all their R&D were 2 or 3 years behind the indie mfrs when it comes to rocker, reverse camber and interesting sidecuts? |
Remember its only about 4-5 years ago you could walk into a UK ski shop stocked with major brands, ask to see something about 100mm in waist and be told by the sales manager (presumably trained up by the big boys' reps) "Oh that would be a very specialist ski - there's no market for something like that in Europe" or "That would be completely unusable on piste - this 74mm ski is our best freeride model" etc etc
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You know it makes sense.
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I'd rather have 4 pops at a $222 ski than pay $850 for a ski. After my ridiculously positive experience with PM Gear, there's nothing that makes me want to go big brand unless I have no other option.
The only flaw I can see in the idea is that leaving only mildy educated customers in charge of their own dims might not work so well. I'm trying to think of the perfect all-mountain ski for myself at the mo... so far I have stiff but poppy but great edge hold but soft tipped for variable snow with a hint of rocker and square tail but I'd really like flat camber but a bit more camber would be cool for dinking around on piste, and maybe a close to centre mounted twin. So, that's that narrowed down then.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| DaveC wrote: |
| This is ridiculously cool. I think I might have to get a pair. |
I wholeheartedly agree.
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Poster: A snowHead
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I'M IN LOVE....
wonder about getting a pair next time I am over
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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This guy put me in mind of Simon Barnes, the journalist whose writing I find mesmerising, even if I have little interest in/knowledge of the subject he is addressing. Absolutely fascinating stuff, even though I don't understand much of it.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| primoz wrote: |
| Even though skis might look like a bit bend piece of wood with some ptex on bottom, they are really a lot more then that. |
Ok I was wrong. I went to see few videos on his web, and this skis really are a bit bend piece of wood with some ptex on bottom 
I guess we have a bit different opinion what good ski is, since from this what I saw, and I doubt tests would make me change my mind, I really wouldn't jump out of happiness if I could get those skis. But at least $300 is not much for ski, so that's good point in all this.
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primoz, you can't read properly. Either that OR you're an idiot. Did you know that of your 136 posts around 100 of them make you sound like a nay saying weiner bun?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| primoz wrote: |
| primoz wrote: |
| Even though skis might look like a bit bend piece of wood with some ptex on bottom, they are really a lot more then that. |
Ok I was wrong. I went to see few videos on his web, and this skis really are a bit bend piece of wood with some ptex on bottom |
As opposed to the big brand skis, which are made from rainbows and unicorn tails.
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actually, going back to the construction issue, i always thought that race (or at least DH race) skis were pretty simply constructucted and they kept to the laminate sandwich construction on the basis that it's easy to take them apart and tweak the construction. they will of course be top notch materials
expect all the R&D cash goes into concepts (gimmicks?) like the Salomon pilot binding interface (RIP) or Atomic's double decker method of making heavy skis even heavier
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I've emailed the guy regarding shipping to the UK.
If it's turns out to be silly, one suggestion could be a 'group ship' to the UK which may save a few quid....
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| primoz wrote: |
| .....I went to see few videos on his web, and this skis really are a bit bend piece of wood with some ptex on bottom ..... |
I thought that was how my (much loved) Missions were made.
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| DaveC wrote: |
| As opposed to the big brand skis, which are made from rainbows and unicorn tails. |
Yes and I guess rainbows adds what is left with missing soul. 
I'm really not gonna argue about this, but it might help a bit to some people to go out and see how skis are actually done and what is inside of skis. Since I believe most of you can't just walk into factory and see process, at least try to cut ski apart next time when you take your old skis to garbage, and someone might be surprised to find a whole lot more then 2 or 3mm ptex and wooden core covered with fiberglass.
| parlor wrote: |
| primoz, you can't read properly. Either that OR you're an idiot. Did you know that of your 136 posts around 100 of them make you sound like a nay saying weiner bun? |
No I didn't, but obviously you did go, read them all, count and found out, that in your opinion around 100 of my posts are like that. Fine. I'm not going to do the same with your posts.
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| primoz wrote: |
| ....someone might be surprised to find a whole lot more then 2 or 3mm ptex and wooden core covered with fiberglass. ... |
It would seem not
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Primoz, read the thread on TGR, look at skibuilders.com, look at the guy's bio.
While he's not building indie carbon based or full carbon skis (and PM Gear/DPS end up with skis costing $1000), he's not cutting corners.
Also, consider the fact that the build quality and finish of indie companies make big box retailers (especially the K2 brand line) look foolish. Salomon had a ton of durability and QC issues last season too (Lords delamming, Suspects and "reinforced edges" blowing out all the time.
then - wind your neck in
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| david@mediacopy wrote: |
I've emailed the guy regarding shipping to the UK.
If it's turns out to be silly, one suggestion could be a 'group ship' to the UK which may save a few quid.... |
I emailed asking the same thing, I'd possibly be into that idea. I am thinking I might just get them shipped to a friend and bring them back when I am there in October..
I will not have much luggage with me, potentially I could bring a few pairs back...
HB
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DaveC, primoz might also like o ask easiski how she has liked her Zags 
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You know it makes sense.
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This link has info about cores. Even if you just look those drawings, and you don't search for anything else, you will see there's something else under/above core, and this "something else" is not just p-tex on bottom and fiberglass on top.
But nevermind... I agree with you guys. Home made skis are second best thing ever happened on world, just after snow. Better?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| primoz wrote: |
This link has info about cores. Even if you just look those drawings, and you don't search for anything else, you will see there's something else under/above core, and this "something else" is not just p-tex on bottom and fiberglass on top. |
Metal, foam, rubber, Kevlar, carbon fibre, load of epoxy in various combinations? A few gimmicks stuck on the top or on the tip etc so the sales guy has something to talk about. Call me cynical but I remember variants of Rossi's VAS plates, K2's MOD, Solly's funny metal rods K2's stupid flashing lights etc all of which did very little to turn purchasers into ski gods. I'm sure no-one disputes the fact that he finest skis are made in the race room at the factory & that the stuff that reaches the retail rack is inferior in quality.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Group buy...?
Look' I've already got about fifteen pairs of skis in the locker!
My wife would kill me.
COUNT ME IN!
A pair of GS dimensioned and a pair of fat, rockered...
I'll go for the $222 stealth skis, no topsheet graphics, just the wood.
So who is in for a group buy?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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rungsp, very tempting....
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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rungsp, me
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Even though I am very new here, I am in for sure. I'd even be keen to bring them back when I am out there if it worked out easier..
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Talk about instant gratification. And I thought I was bad about buying shoes.
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Hold the phone...
Last edited by Then you can post your own questions or snow reports... on Tue 18-08-09 19:17; edited 1 time in total
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I've sent the guy an email inviting him to stop in here.
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FlyingStantoni, good plan.
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| rungsp wrote: |
| So who is in for a group buy? |
What the hell, etc...
...I'm in 
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