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Just how popular are Wintersports?

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Does anyone know of any actual numbers of skiers? UK? Europe? North America?
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 Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Crystal ski report here, gives an in sight but doesn't answer your spefic question
http://www.thomson.co.uk/editorial/press-centre/2007/crystal-ski-industry-report-2007.html
or another version of the same thing but with technology Very Happy
http://emag.digitalpc.co.uk/shg/crs_report08.asp


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Boredsurfing, brilliant, thanks
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Peter Leuzzi, Maybe a dig around on the SCGB site may give the answer Confused
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Peter Leuzzi,If you like statistics Very Happy
http://www.presse-laplagne.com/info_detail.php?id=878&lang=en
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About 1 - 2% of the world's population currently skis or boards.
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Whitegold, as I dont know what the current world population is, how much is that? Or are you being funny? I genuinely have no clue!

Boredsurfing, thanks for your help. Thats exactly where I checked
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It's quite common where I work, 49 staff of which 8 of us are regular visitors to the mountains and another 5 have been once or twice before...
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queen bodecia, thanks for that.

Does anyone know how many places of work like queen bodecia, there are in the UK so I can do a quick multiplication? Toofy Grin
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Peter Leuzzi wrote:
Does anyone know how many places of work like queen bodecia, there are in the UK so I can do a quick multiplication? Toofy Grin


3 I think - or maybe 4. You do the math Toofy Grin
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Whitegold, as I dont know what the current world population is, how much is that? Or are you being funny? I genuinely have no clue!

He is almost certainly wrong. As usual, but whether he is attempting to be funny, I have no idea.

I think it is probably in the region of that percentage of the population in "Western" nations, but way less in the most populous areas of the world, and therefore of the world population as a whole.

But it is the sort of thing it is impossible to get reasonable figures for. You can find out total number of skier days for most resorts, but that doesn't tell you how many individuals have skied there. And the nearest thig I have seen to a collation of even those figures is the Crystal report mentioned above.
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Peter Leuzzi, Here's a 'nicer' version of the Crystal report.
http://emag.digitalpc.co.uk/shg/crs_report08.asp

In the good old days of the Ski club of Great Britain there was a proper Clubhouse and one could use the Library for research, after moving south of the river I'm not sure if such a facility is available. Confused
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07/01/09 6,790,062,216

www.census.gov/ipc/www/popclockworld.html

alex_heney, don't think you can say Whitegold is wrong without conclusive information especially not with this ''I think it is probably'', that's just weak Laughing
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
i KNOW HOW MANY PAIRS OF SKI BOOTS ARE SOLD EACH YEAR? HOW DO WE THINK THAT WOULD RELATE TO HOW MANY SKI,
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arv wrote:
07/01/09 6,790,062,216

www.census.gov/ipc/www/popclockworld.html

alex_heney, don't think you can say Whitegold is wrong without conclusive information especially not with this ''I think it is probably'', that's just weak Laughing


That is whay I said "almost certainly".

I agree, I can't be absolutely completely certain. But based on the Crystal report, it would only be about 3% of the UK population, even if all trips were the only trip made by that person.

And while the alpine nations will have a higher proportion, most other "Western" nations will have no higher, and probably lower, while the Asian (with the exception of Japan) and African nations will have a miniscule proportion of their populations going skiing.
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I reckon, 2-3% looks pretty realistic
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alex_heney, 'almost certainly' doesn't excuse the fact you dismissed someones post on the grounds of their posting history (or the fact you often disagree with the opinion of Whitegold) without having any clue yourself Laughing

Unless you are giving sources for your information your guess is no better than any other user.
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That Crystal report is "trips" and not "participants". Nobody, as far as I'm aware, has ever come up with a number for UK individuals that go skiing or boarding - accepted number though seems to be circa 750,000. But then how do you define a skier? Someone who goes once every few years or someone who goes 6 times a season and spends weekends and evenings at a dome and dreams about it 100% of the time?

From memory, figure for USA and Japan are around 12 million each, Europe is north of that and China is growing exponentially (from a small base). But again, what defines a skier or boarder... how many daytrippers in Europe as opposed to US citizens who are more likely to spend several days at least?

1% of the world population would be almost 70,000,000 participants. Seems very high to me. 3% is unrealistic.

Peter Leuzzi, out of interest, why do you need to know?
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Bode Swiller, My maths would seem poor, i would agree, 1% is almost completely ridiculous.
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alex_heney, 'almost certainly' doesn't excuse the fact you dismissed someones post on the grounds of their posting history (or the fact you often disagree with the opinion of Whitegold) without having any clue yourself Laughing


What makes you think his posting history had anything whatsoever to do with me saying he was almost certainly wrong?

I know I said "as usual", but that was just a complete aside, and had nothing to do with the fact that I am almost certain he is wrong.

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Unless you are giving sources for your information your guess is no better than any other user.


Of course. The difference between Whitegold and I on that is that he states it as an absolute fact, while I know that we simply don't have access to the figures which would give us an absolute fact, so I talk about "probably" and "almost certainly".


The only source I have is the same Crystal report that others have.

But it is clear from that report that less than 3% of the UK population ski each winter. And we are one of the richest nations in the world, in terms of average disposable income.

While I don't have sources, I would be absolutely amazed if anywhere near 1% of the population of China, or India, or any other populous Asian nation skis.

I stand by my statement that he is almost certainly wrong. Not because of his posting history, or because I often disagree with him, but because it does not make sense to me that the proportion of the world population that skis is anything like as high as he suggests.
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alex_heney, I am not getting in to this, something was obviously misunderstood or lost in translation, apologies. I understand from your posting history you often get involved in long tedious arguments about nothing which I would like to avoid Very Happy
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arv wrote:
alex_heney, I am not getting in to this, something was obviously misunderstood or lost in translation, apologies.


OK.
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I understand from your posting history you often get involved in long tedious arguments about nothing which I would like to avoid Very Happy


It isn't unknown. Embarassed

And I fully understand anybody not wanting to go down that route - although it does take two Smile
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Hmmm... Should it be "Just how popular IS wintersports? (one word)" or maybe "Just how popular ARE winter sports? (two words)". Or how about snow sports or snowsports because, after all, not all sliding happens in the winter. Perhaps all that needs tidying up first.
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alex_heney, it does Laughing

Must. Hold. Back...

It would be interesting to see if anyone had researched this or had any conclusive figures.
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arv wrote:
It would be interesting to see if anyone had researched this or had any conclusive figures.

But that might lead to an informed debate and spoil things Very Happy
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