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FlyingStantoni wrote:
This seems to be a bit of a stylistic thing.

Defo a stylistic thing -
http://youtube.com/v/ZlJkX9hiRZ0 Shocked Shocked Shocked
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Look how early the white tiger guy is lead changing too, reviewing ttips is seems the personal style thing is one of the bonuses of the discipline - you just need to decide how much freedom BASI will give you wink
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Hmmm, white tiger guy...

...great name for a future incarnation!
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I see what you mean about the lead change fatbob. The extraordinary athletic ability probably makes up for it though.

My personal favourite is how far back his CoM is from his feet at 1:22. The lead change at 1:35 is unbelievable.
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Scrub that. The lead change at 2:52 is even more staggering.
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FlyingStantoni, looking good, i cant wait for my lesson at Hemel Toofy Grin
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Cool stuff, how long has it taken you to learn Telemark FlyingStantoni?
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skimottaret wrote:
FlyingStantoni, looking good, i cant wait for my lesson at Hemel Toofy Grin

Why thank you sir. I charge extraordinarily good mates rates!

roga wrote:
Cool stuff, how long has it taken you to learn Telemark FlyingStantoni?

I reckon I'm on about 10-12 days. Long and medium turns are good. My short turns suck!
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FlyingStantoni, The back or inside knee at least in the world cup racer world the knee points into the turn more, your first picture had you doing it or it looked like it, but the more speed the more you'll find it comfortable. Short turns require more of the hop weight unweight style, tires me out.

Megamum, telemarking allows a greater range of motion and styles over alpine gear, yes it's harder but boy it sure is more fun too. I went into tele because 1 my knees hurt from having all the weight of alpine hanging there on lifts and 2 when I started it was the easiest way to get into the backcountry. Now it's just about the fun factor.

fatbob, As far as PSIA since I don't know enough about BASI, it's about demonstrating the skills in the different conditions/slopes you can still have your personal style. Some guys hop a lot, some of us just go fast which, is all I hear at clinics. Still can't believe you skied in my backyard without me but when you were here I don't think chair 3 was open only good skiing at Lookout.
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pinhead, Sorry about that - yep Lookout was only frontside open (& v cold) Silver was shut due to cold etc. NB I've still got a red/white 3 day pass that my mate didn't use if you know anyone who wants it for some spring turns. Rather see it used than get the cash back at this stage if you want to pm me your address.
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My first
telemark video contribution.

Heavy snow and tired legs. It looks somewhat better than it felt wink
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FlyingStantoni,

FWIW...and this from just observing my tele friend..... pic 1 looks a bit wobbly and high into the turn....pic 2 looks great, pic 3 looks like in transition for the next ( right ) turn..pics 4 looks pretty comfortable ...and pic 5 seems a little too scrunched up to be effective... so if you pushed your right leg back somewhat, that would seen more stable and dynamic...and fast....and lower...??

Using adjustables to pole but shorten them for getting lower......

I couldn't stand the thought of all those lunges tho, personally... Laughing Laughing so hats off .. wink
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JT, pic 1 is probably a lot more stable that it looks as I'm leading the turn with the inside foot / knee / leg. This is one of those stylistic things with telemark - some people would argue for this and some people against this.

Pic 5 is, again, a stylistic thing. Compare
this with
this and you'll hopefully see what I mean. Both are example of low stance telemarking - the former is old school and the latter is new school (probably, technically, new, old school).

(If I could ski at 50% of the level of the latter then I'll be more than happy.)

New(, new) school is a much taller style.

Welcome to the world of telemark. Where everything is clear. As mud.

FWIW, I'm aiming for the low, compact stance at the moment.

Since seeing these photos I am, indeed, getting a lot lower. Although this, again, is a contentious issue... rolling eyes
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FlyingStantoni,

We have worked it all from scratch...and when I say we..., I mean us alpiners have passed on our stuff so the tele-guy can nick a few techniques to turn his boards.
That, plus being in the vicinity of quite a few T-M Scandis from time to time.....and even being mistaken for one of them, which pleased our Tele-guy no end, made us/him think we were on the right track. The low-down stance seems very effective off-piste, and he is trying to get more upright on the piste...and also so he can do a few alpine moves through bumps and such..

I would guess that the further down you get..or can get, the more presure you can put on the ski but it may also be a stability thing with the free-heel...but that is about it, as far as I am concerned...

Good luck..Laughing

can't see some of the pics through a firewall so will have to come back to them
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JT wrote:
I would guess that the further down you get..or can get, the more presure you can put on the ski but it may also be a stability thing with the free-heel...but that is about it, as far as I am concerned...

The amount you can pressure the back ski is really a function of stance length, rather than stance height. It's pretty obvious really - if the ball of your rear foot is directly under your body (CoM actually) then it'll be maximally pressured.

If you do extreme scandi style, with the femur of the rear leg near vertical, then it's functionally near impossible to get pressure on the back ski. Scandi style is, though, supposed to be very effective on moderately steep off-piste (less than 25 degrees) - where you use the rear ski to "rudder" your turns.

I did try a couple of runs doing extreme scandi yesterday as it's good to push the range of movement - it makes you more flexible.

The Americans talk about a functionally efficient stance length being with the tip of the rear ski being in a range from the toe of the lead foot to half way between that toe and the tip of the lead ski.

For my sins I understand this stuff, but can't yet do it consistently.
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FlyingStantoni, it looks terrifying on 40 something pitches but he manages it .......but needs a degree of room as the jump turn isn't nailed yet..
He was talking about bigger boards now so then he will be out of sight.....

Thankfully steep gullies are hard on the legs so that slows him somewhat atm.........
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FlyingStantoni, Hmm...those videos..all look a lot more upright, indeed...
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lyla will appear for treats anytime, looking good Stantoni, look 4ward to skking and BASP, APH sort yourself out. good to ski with some of you at Hemel!! any questions feel free to ask or visit ALC. sorry its taken so long to this my 1st post, Jose
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Have courage, FlyingStantoni, the stoning of those found guilty of Telemarking is very rare in these more enlightened times...the world is a more tolerant place...
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Hey Joe (geddit?), you finally caved in and registered! Toofy Grin Watch out mate, it's a slippery slope. rolling eyes

So were you at Hemel last night, and didn't warn us? I might have hauled my bones down there if I'd known. Never mind, see you in LG hopefully. Hi to Babs and Lyla. Madeye-Smiley
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the main purpose of telemark skiing is to provide entertainment for the rest of us. Watching a good free-heeler off piste is just sheer poetry. I love it. To watch. wink
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