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Megamum wrote: |
anotherproblem, I was also going to question the reasoning behind the ban and agree with your viewpoint above. It can't surely be Health and Safety? |
I'm sure that is exactly what it is.
For (at least) two reasons.
First, it is more likely you will have worn a pair of shorts for something else first than it is with a pair of trunks.
Second, from a hygiene point of view, nudity is best in swimming pools (and saunas & similar), because unless you boil the costume between uses, you will not get rid of all dirt/bugs from the fabric. With prudishness ruling out nudity in most public pools, then the less fabric there is, the less dirt/bugs you will be wearing into the pool. The fact that the material used in "proper" swimming costumes is smoother and tighter also results in less surface area for dirt.
You also cannot clean yourself properly by showering while wearing clothes, and again if something must be worn, then the less there is, the better.
I must admit, I don't understand why anybody has a problem with this rule. 30 years ago, shorts for swimming were almost unknown in the UK and Europe. They were an American idea which has spread. But I really cannot see how they cover enough extra to make a significant difference to appearance.
Unless, of course, you are wearing ones which are too small for you, so that they pinch in and result in folds of flesh overhanging the material.
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Boris wrote: |
I've never understood swimming hats either - I have more hair on my chest than my head |
In that case, Sir will require the rubber vest.
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alex_heney, apart from the aesthetics, I think there is a suspicion and dislike of (almost) pointless rules made by Johnny Foreigner, apparently specifically to catch us Brits out.
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alex_heney, OK, so assuming for a moment that your reasons are valid, why do they not enforce the wearing of bikinis rather than swimsuits for women for the same reasons (bar perhaps the use of the swimsuit for other things first)
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Megamum, They probably should do so.
Possibly they think there would be just too much protest - while shorts are a fairly new thing, many women have always worn one-piece swimsuits (for as long as public swimming pools have existed).
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Then I'm surprised that men haven't challenged the 'no shorts' instruction on the basis of descrimination. In the same way that some ladies want to cover themselves to a certain degree in the pool there must be men who would prefer to also do the same with longer shorts.
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alex_heney, Thats all bollocks. Please support your puerile post with some scientific fact.
Modern swimming pool filtration systems do not have a problem with any swimwear, or are you suggesting that England is the only EU country capable of maintaining hygiene levels in swimming pool water!
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Today in bourg st maurice we were refused entry with shorts but were we ciuld have borrowd some spare peanut smuggelers they had behind the counter
We decided not to risk it and crossed the road for a mcdonalds milkshake instead!!!
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alex_heney, I have to agree with Boredsurfing, on that.
That would implie in an ideal world we would be sterilised before getting into the pool and their pools would be perfect in the first place.
Have you got some figures to show amounts of bacteria in shorts compared to trunks?? Unless you know that for a fact and can back it up I would also have to say, dangly bits.
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I'd imagine that the number of bacteria on a swimmer's swim (before entering the pool) would be orders of magnitude more than on a cossie.
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richmond, probably, but if someone is going to make statements as such, saying this is the reason, they should at least have some evidence rather than " i reckon"
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Boredsurfing wrote: |
alex_heney, Thats all bollocks. Please support your puerile post with some scientific fact.
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Since I haven't made any remotely "puerile" post, I can't support one.
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Modern swimming pool filtration systems do not have a problem with any swimwear,
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Of course.
Have I suggested otherwise?
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or are you suggesting that England is the only EU country capable of maintaining hygiene levels in swimming pool water! |
Of course not. Where have I posted anything which could possibly give that impression?
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anotherproblem wrote: |
alex_heney, I have to agree with Boredsurfing, on that.
That would implie in an ideal world we would be sterilised before getting into the pool and their pools would be perfect in the first place.
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We don't have an ideal world. Whatever is done, and whatever rules are in place will always be a compromise.
Even the requirement to wear speedos is a compromise forced on the pools by the fact that requiring nudity would be seen as unacceptable.
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Have you got some figures to show amounts of bacteria in shorts compared to trunks?? Unless you know that for a fact and can back it up I would also have to say, dangly bits. |
I must admit, I would have thought it completely obvious. More material = more area for bacteria to grow.
I can't find any research results on the subject just at the moment, but I have certainly seen some in the past.
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You know it makes sense.
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richmond wrote: |
I'd imagine that the number of bacteria on a swimmer's swim (before entering the pool) would be orders of magnitude more than on a cossie. |
Yes, but proper showering - naked, will remove much more of that from skin than it will from the fabric of swimwear.
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anotherproblem, BTW, while I was looking fro research results on swimwear and hygiene, every reference I came across to shorts being banned in French pools stated that it was for hygiene reasons.
So whether you agree with the points or not, that certainly appears to be the reason for the rule.
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Poster: A snowHead
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There are no such restrictions for wearing shorts in public pools in Austria, so just go there instead - the scenery is better anyway.
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Of course swimming pools were originally called "Public Baths" as the whole intention of them was to get the dirty smelly proles clean occassionally in the first place - stuff the costumes it was getting their skin clean.
Most people will have a quick rinse down under the shower - but that ain't going to remove all the suncream, sweat, and worse which people will take into the pool.
I can see the reasons behind the rule - just think it is pointless
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Boris,
I agree that in most places I can't see that it makes a difference...especially with the amount of chlorine they usually put in...
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Boris,
I agree that in most places I can't see that it makes a difference...especially with the amount of chlorine they usually put in... |
True, but the more hygienic the average user is, then the smaller the amount of chemicals required.
They should be continually monitoring the bacteriological status of the pool water, and adjusting the levels of chemicals added to keep it within acceptable limits, while using no more than is neccessary to keep it within those limits.
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alex_heney,
There are plenty of things they ideally should do. In practice (what I found, and what I was told by someone managing a gym in the UK) they put as much chemical in (within legal/recommended limits) as they can because having to close and service the pool if some contamination is detected is a plain pain in the back bottom..
So you might still have a lot of dirt on you when you come out of the pool but it's "clean" dirt..
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This thread is putting me right off the idea of using public pools
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alex_heney, you say it is obvious, that may be, I am not saying that it is wrong, but if you are going to state something like that, back it up with fact. If you are going to say hygiene, come up with reasons and some proof for it.
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anotherproblem, There is the simple fact that every website I found mentioning the requirement said it was for hygiene reasons.
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Boris,
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Put you off swimming yet - just think what's lurking in the sea
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Before the Days of Blue Flag beaches etc, they use to call swimming off Brighton Beach, 'Going through the motions'
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alan empty wrote: |
Specialman, don't know about ADH but I've swam in the pool in Tignes in a pair of beach shorts. I wasn't escorted from the premises so you may be OK. |
About 10 years ago I was asked to leave that pool for the gross offence of wearing shorts. I demanded my money back but they refused, customer service and french don't seem to mix. I'm honestly not bitter and twisted, much.
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You know it makes sense.
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Nice bump, but just booked a few nights in the Dordogne with Canvas Holidays, and their FAQ suggests I need to go shopping for some budgie smugglers.
Question: are tight swimshorts ok or do they really want budgie smugglers???
Are "swimming trunk only" regulations strictly adhered to?
Local government campsite rules usually require everyone to wear proper swimwear in campsite pools. Shorts of any description are banned. Some sites require the use of swimming caps.
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kitenski, round here, tight swimshorts seem to be fine in the pools (and surf shorts are fine in the swimming lakes).
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Poster: A snowHead
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kitenski, Just freeball - see how they like them apples
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kitenski, it doesn't matter how long they just so long as they're clingy.
I tried to slip into the pool at Bourg d'Oisans while wearing my long shorts with Speedo in big letters down them. Non! I was told firmly. Yet others with even longer but clingy (I might even say saggy) shorts were fine.
Go figure!
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I've never had to wear them at several privately owned pools (apartment complexes, camp sites, etc) around France over 15 years or so. I think it's more common for public pools.
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Last year when son and family were going to one of those camp places (not Canvas Holidays, it seemed to be a French outfit) I telephoned specifically to ask this, as son was not impressed with the idea of budgie smugglers. The woman was most emphatic that they were required, including for small kids in the paddling pool. Logical, I suppose, as they are the ones most likely to be sitting round permanently in their cossies. However, son said that in the event, they didn't seem too fussy. I'd be inclined, if you don't have suitable garments already, to hope for the best, then pop down to the nearest supermarket and get some if they're strict.
I remember when swim caps were compulsory in public baths here. I loathed them, but rules was rules. In those days Guildford Crescent Baths, in Cardiff, also had a "Ladies Pool", a "Men's Pool" and - for the daring - a Mixed Pool.
There is one good reason for proper swim trunks rather than any old shorts. I still remember a picnic on a Pacific Island - the event is engraved on my mind - where the British High Commissioner was wearing rather baggy shorts and nothing underneath..... it was comical to see people re-arranging themselves so as not to get an eyeful of His Excellency's balls.
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anotherproblem wrote: |
I've heard this before, what on earth is their reasoning for this madness?! |
Its definitely for cleanliness.
My sister used to date a french guy, before she grew up, and he told us that it was to keep out 'everyday' shorts. Shorts that could be dirty from other activities.
Speedos are really only ever suitable for pool use and therefore likely to be somewhat cleaner.
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The Italians at la thuiles planibel pool also insist on trunks rather than shorts plus a swimming cap.
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Looks like they were mandatory in the Dive Pool today as well - must be catching on!
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You say speedos aren't worn for other activities, but believe me, the late middle-aged man with considerable paunch I witnessed hiking up Vulcano in a mankini last summer will be forever graven on my mind.
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