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However it seems he didn't have any lessons, and not surprisingly that didn't end well....
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But he added on the Sporting Misadventures podcast: 'By the end I got quite into it and enjoyed it and we're going to go again in April.'

Laughing Laughing Laughing
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@Alastair Pink, although a multi-millionaire; he is Scottish so what do you expect - lessons are expensive Toofy Grin Toofy Grin Toofy Grin (tin hat on)
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@Alastair Pink, although a multi-millionaire; he is Scottish so what do you expect - lessons are expensive Toofy Grin Toofy Grin Toofy Grin (tin hat on)


Fred Perry - the last English man to win Wimbledon....
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Haggis_Trap wrote:
Belch wrote:
@Alastair Pink, although a multi-millionaire; he is Scottish so what do you expect - lessons are expensive Toofy Grin Toofy Grin Toofy Grin (tin hat on)


Fred Perry - the last English man to win Wimbledon....


And Fred Perry was not a skier. Although interestingly Fred Perry sponsored Francisco Fernández Ochoa, a Spanish Olympic skier who won gold in the 1972 Winter Olympics. Ochoa was known as the "matador on skies" for his technical skiing style. He was photographed wearing a Fred Perry ski jumper with a gold Laurel on his right arm. Madeye-Smiley
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@Belch, oh yeah............He's British when he's at the apres bar buying pints, but Scottish when he's on his a*se at the top of the chair.
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And Fred Perry was not a skier.

And neither is SAM judging by that article Laughing
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. . . easy fishing - I got two biters!

Still amazing he didn't perhaps consider lessons - always a bit over confident but maybe its his dodgy ankles playing him up Toofy Grin
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Haggis_Trap wrote:
Belch wrote:
@Alastair Pink, although a multi-millionaire; he is Scottish so what do you expect - lessons are expensive Toofy Grin Toofy Grin Toofy Grin (tin hat on)


Fred Perry - the last English man to win Wimbledon....


Is that a bite? Puzzled Toofy Grin
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@Bergmeister, most def - if not a bite its certainly a nibble

Factually correct but you could also word it as 'the first & last Scot to win Wimbledon . . . . ever' Toofy Grin
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Factually correct but you could also word it as 'the first & last Scot to win Wimbledon . . . . ever' Toofy Grin


At risk of fishing for reaction....

I believe Jamie Murray also won the doubles?
Not just once but twice Cool
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Haggis_Trap wrote:
Belch wrote:

Factually correct but you could also word it as 'the first & last Scot to win Wimbledon . . . . ever' Toofy Grin


At risk of fishing for reaction....

I believe Jamie Murray also won the doubles?
Not just once but twice Cool


Think Alfie Hewitt has won most recently.
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@Haggis_Trap, nice one - I'm classing that as one lost at the net - touche! However I'm sure Jamie being the less emotional / poorer of the two would have taken lessons - if he isn't already an accomplished skier already . . .
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@Haggis_Trap, correct, its Jamie. Andy Murray is now English having emigrated to Surrey.
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@Belch, there is a third brother (Duncan) that lives in the Attic.
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@Haggis_Trap, correct, its Jamie. Andy Murray is now English having emigrated to Surrey.


.... And your Great British royal family are German (Saxe Coburg) Laughing
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@Belch, there's no hard and fast rule, but I think "win Wimbledon" means winning the singles to most people, as that's by far the most prestigious event. No-one devotes their teenage years to becoming a pro tennis player to win the mixed doubles. Everyone who starts on that routes wants to be successful at singles, veering into doubles as a sensible career option when it becomes obvious that success at singles isn't going to happen. Ref Wimbledon last year when Emma R ditched Sir Andy in the mixed doubles to focus on her upcoming singles match.

And I don't think many casual fans go to Wimbledon to watch specific doubles matches (other than celebrity mixed doubles pairings such as Graf/McEnroe and Radacanu/Murray). They go to see the big names, who have made their name big via singles.

The line has to be drawn somewhere as to what "win Wimbledon" means. In extremis, one could say that Ivan Lendl won Wimbledon and really go rogue and say that Laura Robson did, on the back of their wins in the boys and girls events.

On a lighter note, I do miss the "Peak Murray" period when, per some sections of the media, the heroic Brit could win the semi final, before the useless Scot lost in the final.
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@Belch, there's no hard and fast rule, but I think "win Wimbledon" means winning the singles to most people, as that's by far the most prestigious event. No-one devotes their teenage years to becoming a pro tennis player to win the mixed doubles. Everyone who starts on that routes wants to be successful at singles, veering into doubles as a sensible career option when it becomes obvious that success at singles isn't going to happen. Ref Wimbledon last year when Emma R ditched Sir Andy in the mixed doubles to focus on her upcoming singles match.
And I don't think many casual fans go to Wimbledon to watch specific doubles matches (other than celebrity mixed doubles pairings such as Graf/McEnroe and Radacanu/Murray). They go to see the big names, who have made their name big via singles.
The line has to be drawn somewhere as to what "win Wimbledon" means. In extremis, one could say that Ivan Lendl won Wimbledon and really go rogue and say that Laura Robson did, on the back of their wins in the boys and girls events.
On a lighter note, I do miss the "Peak Murray" period when, per some sections of the media, the heroic Brit could win the semi final, before the useless Scot lost in the final.


Despite huge sporting success we all know the real reason why a certain demographic reserve such embarrassing disdain for Andy Murray...
This thread testament to that Cool

Will 'Yes' tweet damage Team Murray?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-29277378

Scottish referendum: Abuse directed at Andy Murray 'vile'
http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29249577

Andy Murray infuriated England fans with football swipe: 'I'll support whoever plays you'
http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29249577

How Andy Murray withstood seven years of ‘abuse’ to become Great Britain’s best sportsman of all time
https://metro.co.uk/2024/08/02/andy-murray-withstood-seven-years-abuse-become-britains-goat-20533524/
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@Haggis_Trap, Sir Andy won't appeal to the "English Nationalist" set because he's both intelligent and articulate. And obviously being extremely rich on the back of being successful (if not the very best) would also have counted against him.

The stuff here about whether he's Scottish or British etc. is an ironic take on the moronic stuff that has been written / said serious about him in the past.
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@Haggis_Trap, I've watched Murray at Wimbledon several times (I'm a current club player and have had phases of getting lucky in the ballot) from when he was 18yrs on the high numbered courts all the way to centre court. Irrespective of nationality he was a fantastic player and interesting to watch - unorthodox and could annoy players by 'hitting junk' against them (especially Djokovic) and mixing up styles of play / spin / power to unhinge opponents. Arguably more exciting than watching Federer (who I've also seen in a couple of semis) who after watching once was actually boring as at the time he just steam-rollered opponents based on being several levels better. . .

However none of this takes away from the fact that Scots are deemed 'tight' when it comes to getting their wallets out - actually no idea why; but must be based on some kind of truth somewhere in history. . . . snowHead

PS. If we are Germans then so are you - watched a programme on British genetics and its a fallacy that most Scots are descended from Viking Tribes (as they assume they are) . . .the majority of all of us 'Brits' are Anglo-Saxons / Jutes . . . . which is basically German Toofy Grin As one angry clipped moustache nutter famously quoted . . . 'Zey are not our natural enemy'
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^ do you wear pink corduroy trousers and a fat face rugby top? With the collar turned up?

Gone fishing Cool
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@Haggis_Trap, I sense another bite - pesky predators Toofy Grin

In answer to your question NO - rugby is for those who are not skilled / visually aware enough to play football (fact); on this basis I drink strong lager (never anything flat/brown or with the IPA acronym) and wear Adidas Sambas and a fully zipped up Arc Parka when watching my lad on a Saturday. . . Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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Haggis_Trap wrote:
Despite huge sporting success we all know the real reason why a certain demographic reserve such embarrassing disdain for Andy Murray...
This thread testament to that Cool


You are, unfortunately, right. Some people don't seem to understand the difference between Great Britain and England. Andy being a proud Scot doesn't make him any less British.
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Belch wrote:
In answer to your question NO - rugby is for those who are not skilled / visually aware enough to play football (fact); on this basis I drink strong lager (never anything flat/brown or with the IPA acronym) and wear Adidas Sambas and a fully zipped up Arc Parka when watching my lad on a Saturday. . . Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


Now I really don't like you Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

It is quite obvious to anyone that Rugby, and rugby players, are superior in every possible way !
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^ do you wear pink corduroy trousers and a fat face rugby top? With the collar turned up?

Gone fishing Cool


Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Wonder who you'll catch ?
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Belch wrote:
In answer to your question NO - rugby is for those who are not skilled / visually aware enough to play football (fact); on this basis I drink strong lager (never anything flat/brown or with the IPA acronym) and wear Adidas Sambas and a fully zipped up Arc Parka when watching my lad on a Saturday. . . Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


Now I really don't like you Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

It is quite obvious to anyone that Rugby, and rugby players, are superior in every possible way !


What on earth do you know about Rugby - you're based in the fatherland! ( Toofy Grin Toofy Grin Toofy Grin ) As everyone in this colony knows (from a very early age at school) - 'if you cant play football; play rugby'
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Just an Irish lad here....taking this all in.
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Haggis_Trap wrote:
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@Haggis_Trap, correct, its Jamie. Andy Murray is now English having emigrated to Surrey.


.... And your Great British royal family are German (Saxe Coburg) Laughing


But they live here (and in Scotland!) and have done for a while.
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Belch wrote:
@Haggis_Trap, I sense another bite - pesky predators Toofy Grin

In answer to your question NO - rugby is for those who are not skilled / visually aware enough to play football (fact); on this basis I drink strong lager (never anything flat/brown or with the IPA acronym) and wear Adidas Sambas and a fully zipped up Arc Parka when watching my lad on a Saturday. . . Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


I'd like to see your average Premier League footballer do half of what a top flight fly half can do when kicking a ball.
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I know this is a daft debate but I suspect PL footballers are pretty adept at striking a ball and it wouldn't take them long to pick up rugby kicking skills. Forbearance and resilience under pressure and contact maybe less so.
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Dave of the Marmottes wrote:
I know this is a daft debate but I suspect PL footballers are pretty adept at striking a ball and it wouldn't take them long to pick up rugby kicking skills. Forbearance and resilience under pressure and contact maybe less so.


Have you seen how poor they are at taking corner kicks, or how many have poor technicque stricking a moving ball on the edge of the box - leaning back and ballooning it over the bar?
Compare that with a pin point cross field kick on the move....
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You're comparing events that don't happen with anything like the same frequency in a game. And you remember the perfect pin point kicks and forget all those that ran to the opposition or into touch. I'm not denying that there are players like Dupont who have mind blowing skills but so do the top pass distributors in football.

Point is they are different games and claiming any objective superiority of one over another is just an daft bar room debate.
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lol - so easy to go fishing on here . . .

But in all seriousness - 'Pin point' - that is hilarious. To compare a ruby players one directional kicking ability (the basic equivalent of a goalkeepers 'ping' in football) to nowhere other than either a massive touchline and or a lucky bounce to a player running into space compared to the massive variation of striking / passing / chipping / pinging a footballer is doing in multiple directions under pressure and throughout the entire game is totally different gravy . . .

Anyway back to Murraymint - hes still tight and needs lessons Toofy Grin
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If you want to see ball control go to a premier league game and watch the players warming up before the match , what they can do with a football is absolutely amazing.
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@Belch, stop trying to kid us on that your not in stone island clobber every other Saturday?
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T Bar wrote:
If you want to see ball control go to a premier league game and watch the players warming up before the match , what they can do with a football is absolutely amazing.


Their close ball skills are superb, it is true, but the quality of corner taking and shooting from the edge of the box is shockingly poor.
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Belch wrote:
lol - so easy to go fishing on here . . .

But in all seriousness - 'Pin point' - that is hilarious. To compare a ruby players one directional kicking ability (the basic equivalent of a goalkeepers 'ping' in football) to nowhere other than either a massive touchline and or a lucky bounce to a player running into space compared to the massive variation of striking / passing / chipping / pinging a footballer is doing in multiple directions under pressure and throughout the entire game is totally different gravy . . .

Anyway back to Murraymint - hes still tight and needs lessons Toofy Grin


I think you need to watch some rugby before posting such a comment! Have you never seen a crossfield kick pass?
Go watch Finn Russell, Fin Smith, Marcus Smith as a start.
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T Bar wrote:
If you want to see ball control go to a premier league game and watch the players warming up before the match , what they can do with a football is absolutely amazing.


Their close ball skills are superb, it is true, but the quality of corner taking and shooting from the edge of the box is shockingly poor.

What a crazy comment. If you think anything the players in the premier league do is "shockingly poor", you obviously know nothing. They're the best in the world at it. How can you say they are shockingly poor? Have you ever played football against anyone half decent? It's a humbling experience.

Anyone can float a corner into the 6 year box, but it'll be easy for the keeper to catch or a defender to clear. The reason so many corners look "shockingly poor" is they're trying to achieve a level of whip that mere mortals could only dream of.
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@JDL65, I went to a Rugby playing school; Nick Beal was in my maths class and a certain Matt Dawson was the year below me - its not that I dislike Rugby as a sport to watch; I enjoy it. . .its just that I much prefer football as a game and know that the skills required are significant to play at the upper levels; its not called the beautiful game for nothing . . . Cool
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Dave of the Marmottes wrote:
I know this is a daft debate but I suspect PL footballers are pretty adept at striking a ball and it wouldn't take them long to pick up rugby kicking skills. Forbearance and resilience under pressure and contact maybe less so.


Top flight footie players are generally fantastic athletes. As a lad outside of North America (and maybe Australasia) if you have sporting ability, you will gravitate to football because that's where the money is.

And I think the apparent lack of resilience under pressure etc. is simply gamesmanship. When the pressure is on e.g. penalty shootouts, the players generally perform to a very high standard.
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