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I know this isn't a nice topic but was just reading about the polish politician who has servere head injuries and is in critical condition after an ski accident in Austria and also the german poitician who is recovering from head injuries after he was involved in a ski collision with a slovakian lady who died. It's made me wonder does anyone keep records of lets say:
1: how many people die per season in ski/snowboard related accidents?
2: how many people suffer serious head injuries?
3: how many people suffer serious injuries, not head related.
4: how many people suffer minor injuries
I'm talking about on-piste everyday holiday maker skiing in well maintained resorts in europe.
I just wonder how it compares to other sports with relation to death & injury?
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dlawless, would be a morbid but nonetheless interesting exercise to pull together all the stats from all the skiing nations. I think you'll be surprised at how many perish on and off-piste. If they all died in the same air accident it would make the news big time, but they go mostly one at a time and pretty much unreported in the mainstream. Austria announced over a month ago that they'd had 17 on piste fatalities so far this season. So go figure... gotta be well into hundreds just in the alps. Add in "natural causes" like strokes and heart attacks and it'll be a horror show.
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Bode Swiller, Do those Austrian figures inc some of natural causes, just that they happened on the mountain...?? possibly..?
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JT, I expect they do - unless they arrived at the figure of 17 after a whole lot of post-mortems.
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but when compared to those who die in Road Traffic accidents every day.......................
The risk managers at the insurance company's would soon make the premiums reflect the risk.
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I'm sure someone somewhere compiles statistics but I don't want to read them. In the great scheme of things it's probably far more dangerous that we all take to the roads each day and let's not forget that one in three of us will develop cancer (not to mention those of us who have developed cancer already!). Life is for living people. Yes, it's dangerous, messy and complicated, but we wouldn't have it any other way...
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| JT wrote: |
| Bode Swiller, Do those Austrian figures inc some of natural causes, just that they happened on the mountain...?? possibly..? |
I think not. There's a thread on here somewhere all about it. Got to be impacts with hard objects mainly. (Hmmm... has anyone ever discussed helmet use on this forum?) Or big injuries like broken femurs can kill. Heart attacks are two a penny on the mountains - a few hundred big resorts must see plenty across a four month season. And don't forget those who perish late at night between bar and hotel, and those falling off balconies etc. We hear stories every season. I tell you, I'm staying in bed now until I die. It's a jungle out there.
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dlawless, the data you're after is compiled by organisations and academics that specialise in skier trauma. To be meaningful, the incident/injury figures have to be quoted 'per thousand skier visits' (or similar criteria), since the number of injuries will tend to increase in a busy year for skiing.
The International Symposium on Safety in Skiing (ISSS) has held conferences on this. Here's an example of one I attended in Chamonix in 1989:
Skiing Trauma and Safety: 7th International Symposium
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Well i have gone skiing with my group of 9 friends 3 times now and we have had, 1 ACL injury, 1 moderate bash to the head, 1 torn achilles tendon, 1 nicely twisted knee and 1 badly bruised hip. Thats 27 weeks skiing between all of as and 5 holiday ending injuries, well the skiing part anyway. Doesn't really make great reading. None of the above involved me, thank goodness. role on next year! 
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figures have to be quoted 'per thousand skier visits' (or similar criteria)
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Criterion, Mr Goldwidget. From a man who'd like to be paid for his writing, tsk tsk. 
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You must be in a state of hysterion after writing that
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You know it makes sense.
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I've been skiing for 14 separate weeks and 1 full season. I think my worst ever injury was breaking a fingernail...
But I have broken bones falling off one of those mega-dangerous mountain bike things...
Obviously we all know skiing/snowboarding is a potentially risky pursuit. Isn't that part of the reason it's so much fun? Clearly it's a risk we are all prepared to take and it's down to us as individuals to minimise the risks to ourselves as far as we can. Poo happens, we all know that. It can just as easily happen at home going about our daily lives as on the slopes...
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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As a rough but slightly educated guess (OK, I was just talking to someone who claims inside knowledge which seems to make sense), I reckon in an average year less than 20 Brits go on a ski/board trip and snuff it. Most of the deaths will be major medical events like heart attacks and only a few collisions and virtually none by avalanche. So, you stand roughly a 1:100,000 chance of croaking on your trip... about the same as watching the telly so, just in case, I have instructed family to wear helmets and full avvi backpack whilst enjoying the box in future.
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Bode Swiller, Interesting stuff are there any figures for accidents needing Hospital/Doctor treatment? Broken down by Country/State/ski area/TV manafacturer of course 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I know the figures are available for Austria.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Jeez, i think i may wear an avalung & helmet on the flight just in case, u never know 
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ousekjarr, interesting read, a lot of work has gone into that. men acoount to 60% of ski accidents and women only 40%. surely a typo 
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DB, 
U may want to lay low for a while!!
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| dlawless wrote: |
| ousekjarr, interesting read, a lot of work has gone into that. men acoount to 60% of ski accidents and women only 40%. surely a typo |
That does seem a rather high proportion of women, yes, given that IME women account for far less than 40% of all skiers.
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| alex_heney wrote: |
... given that IME women account for far less than 40% of all skiers. |
This is very interesting. I had suspected there were far more men than women. But at Christmas I was doing the odd tot in cable cars and on chair lifts and reckoned it was coming in more even than I thought (I'd say something like 60/40 is probably right - obviously my method was highly scientific and properly controlled ).
Do any of the lift companies ever seen any stats on lift pass uptake by gender?
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| MissRibena wrote: |
| alex_heney wrote: |
... given that IME women account for far less than 40% of all skiers. |
This is very interesting. I had suspected there were far more men than women. But at Christmas I was doing the odd tot in cable cars and on chair lifts and reckoned it was coming in more even than I thought (I'd say something like 60/40 is probably right - obviously my method was highly scientific and properly controlled ).
Do any of the lift companies ever seen any stats on lift pass uptake by gender? |
I would guess the proportion of women would be much higher at Christmas (and of kids), due to it being "family holiday" time.
I must admit, I have never skied during school holidays at all, so my experience is only at times not noted for being family holiday times.
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I'm sure whenever I've been skiing (never school holidays) there's easily as many women as men. Why wouldn't there be? There's nothing particularly masculine about skiing or snowboarding and females make up slightly over half of the population...
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Then why do I never see all girl groups, but see plenty of all men groups? Women are nearly always in couples or mixed groups.
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I've had three all-female parties of skiers staying at my apartment this winter.
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You know it makes sense.
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Helen Beaumont, Need a chalet boy? 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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...and how many all male groups?
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My dearest darling wife wen away for a 4 night break with 8 other girlies for the first time in January. I have been informed that it will be repeated next year
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Axsman, surely 'boy' is exaggerating just a touch ? 
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WRT female/male I should imagine that if a collision or accident is between a male and a female, the female will be injured more severely due to being smaller and lighter (in general). Also the person who causes the accident (if a collision) tends to be less injured than the unfortunate other, and as men probably cause many more accidents this would tie in.
Lots of women ski, but I don't think it's 50%, and they generally tend to be more cautious, with the notable exception of the young adults here from Paris this weekend!
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if an "accident" includes people just falling over and hurting themselves, then the fact that so many middle-aged female skiers seem to do their knees in (been other threads about this, it's because they're often so inactive and have weak muscles) that might account for there being an apparently large number of women involved.
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Austria November 2007 to October 2008
All though the number of people in the mountains is increasing the Fatality Trend is downwards.
http://www.alpinesicherheit.at/index.php?menuid=2313&detail=2313
Total 308 people died in the Mountains compared to 678 Road Deaths.
Most Fatalities are in the Summer (July & August) 84
Followed by Winter (January & February) 67
80% are Male victims .
Hiking & Mountaineering 96
Rock Climbing 22
Ski Touring 24
Totals
184 Austrians (60%)
79 Germans (25%)
45 Other Nations
By State
Tirol 115
Salzburg 50
Carinthia 37
On the Piste i.e Organised ski resorts.
Total 34 victims killed far fewer than the 47 killed in previous 2005/06
Of the 34 deaths in ski areas most people died of heart and circulatory failure with no previous accident (14 people),
12 were self-fatal injuries caused by falls or collisions with fixed obstacles.
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Austria 2008/9 Piste Accidents
http://www.alpinesicherheit.at/index.php?menuid=2333
Significant decrease in collision accidents 26% on previous year.
44 People killed this is an increase in 10 Piste Deaths on previous season. 1 in 2 (23) are natural heart and circulatory failure.
9 people died after a crash without any external influence.
7 fatal accidents and collisions & in 5 cases, the person died after a collision with a fixed obstacle.
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