 Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I was overtaking lots of people on the flats with my 90mm skis waxed with spyderjon's green wax earlier this month.... (how heavy are you?)
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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riverwhy, Wax fully with a Zardoz underlay... scrape and brush. Zardoz again each day... I glide past almost everyone I ski with.
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Scarpa, zardoz underlay? explain - prep base then zardoz then wax then finish off?? hmmm
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| riverwhy wrote: |
| but are they generally slower going straight? |
Compared to what?
Compared to a thinner ski with the same surface area and the same range of downpressure into the snow at the same rider weight (meaning the lengthwise camber is adjusted), my answer is yes.
Compared to a thinner ski with smaller surface area (higher downpressure into snow at the same rider weight), my answer is 'Depends on the nature of the snow'.
Compared to a thinner ski with the same surface area and a wider range of downpressure into the snow at the same rider weight (meaning there are highly weighted spots and not very weighted spots), my answer is 'the fat ski is faster on most snow'
Notice that making a ski thinner in the waist without adjusting anything else makes the area lower AND makes the ski softer, so the above discussion is required.
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how heavy are you?
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12.5 stone..
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riverwhy, too many variables to say but the Zoom Lime is pretty quick in all but the extremes of temperatures.
Most likely reason is simply that new skis aren't normally that quick due to 'fuzz' on the base etc from the factory grind & need either proper prepping or skiing 'in' to get their speed up. This is exaggerated on wide skis.
Another possibility is your lateral alignment, ie are the skis really running flat? Any issues here show up more the wider the skis are.
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barry, Put a Notwax coat underneath a decent waxing. Do a good scrape and brush. Then wipe the base with Notwax each day. Works for me.
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spyderjon, Actually... you may have hit the nail on the head. Prep the base. Quality shows.
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A ski instructor needs to be told this ??
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| 666 wrote: |
| A ski instructor needs to be told this ?? |
What about being a good skier is involved in being a good ski tech?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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thanks for the other stuff guys.. this is the first time i've been on 90mm skis.. (it's not part of the qualification requirements 666).
i prepped them in the same way as i've always done with the B5's, then more recently the blackeyes, the pilgrims were definitely slower than both, only differences - the skis, and the type of wax
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riverwhy, I've a number of racer customers who use Lime Uni as a training wax & get very good times with it so I know that the wax is fast. It is also very durable so for a ski to be quick it needs to be well scraped off & brass brushed out. Were the 07/08 Pilgrims that you bought still in their shrink wrapper? If they've been open for a long time the bases could well have dried out quite a bit. I'm pretty sure it's 'cause your new bases are a bit fuzzy (which is not necessarily visible to the naked eye) so I'd recommend some heavy brass brushing & fiberpad passes (say 50 of each) & a few more wax applications.
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You know it makes sense.
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Jon
they are 09 skis supplied with bindings fitted - so no shrinkwrap - but i doubt they were out of it long.
i'll give it a bit more elbow grease with the brass brush etc... 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Scarpa wrote: |
| barry, Put a Notwax coat underneath a decent waxing. Do a good scrape and brush. Then wipe the base with Notwax each day. Works for me. |
i do everything but the first part ie a coat of notwax before the wax. must try it
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hmm.. that never used to happen with the old skis (B5 & Blackeyes). I used to wax them with some orange coloured wax i've had for ages, no idea of the make, but the skis were quick. I know a fat ski isn't really meant to be a piste burner, but are they generally slower going straight? (they couldn't catch me carving down the hill..) 
