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skitow, I don't know how big their tank is but it must be huge as they only have it emptied once at the end of the winter, and there are 3 loos and always a huge Q - very busy resto. No other loos on the Cretes either. Don't forget - the lorry has to be 4 or 6 wheel drive to get up the road to the resto ... and can't be all that big, so must make multiple trips etc. etc.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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well.. well... wel....
Another 'oh my gawd how much is it' kind of thread!
Austria is very reasonable for food and drink.... Vat is at 20% for most stuff (although there is a 10% rate for some things) so it is more than france.
Supplies being taken up mountains isn't a huge cost.... there are piste bashers with massive scoops!
In a lot of resorts the profiteering is getting out of control. You are stuck so have to pay whatever they charge!
I guess with a much bigger valley system in Austria people have much more choice which keep sthe prices reasonable.
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flangesax, And who pays for the piste bashers? Have you any idea how much those things cost to a) buy and b) run?????? fortunes man! I don't think the prices are unreasonable here either, but its very unfair to claim they're all profiteering just because their costs are high. Here's a pic taken today of the rubbish from one restaurant being taken down to the Jandri express, where of course it all has to be loaded, and unloaded and taken to wherever after that.
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easiski,
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In addition he told me that it costs €40,000 to empty the septic tank after every winter
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So is that why on top of my 5 euro for a coffee, I normally have to pay to go to the loo aswell? Incidentally British restaurants normally work off 33/33/33 for food costs/overheads and wages/profits so that's not far off 30/30/40. Staff wages and lift passes may need to come out of the 40 percent but if you are charging 5 euros for a cup of coffee that's still 2 euros roughly 2 quid to profit and wages! If you did a rough calculation of 50 percent to wages and 50 percent to profit the restaurant are still making a quid profit on a coffee.
I'm glad your friend only charges 3 and a half euro a drink, seems like a bargain to me.
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So is that why on top of my 5 euro for a coffee
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If you are willing to pay 5 euro for a coffee, then you can't really complain. I never pay anything approaching that and nobody ever pays anything to go to the loo, throughout the entire area (in France). Why do people persist in going to resorts which are known to be expensive, then complain. There's plenty of choice out there!
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Not sure that we have ever been charged as much as 5 euro for a cup of coffee anywhere in the Portes du Soleil. We have been very aware this past winter of what we pay for coffee, hot chocolate and wine in the various cafes and restaurants that we go to and if we feel we haven't had value we just don't go back. But we are very happy to either sit on the terraces outside the cafes in their chairs, or have taken shelter inside benefiting from their heaters, we have enjoyed the wonderful views and yes - particularly me - nearly always avail ourselves of the loo facilities - and I have my own star rating of those I prefer to use. I can't recall ever being charged to use the loo in any of the cafes. Having skied in the States (only in Vermont) a few times one of the things we always miss there are the huge variety of eating and drinking places that we have scattered round the mountains and just hope that they all manage to survive.
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pam w,
I go to bigger resorts for the varied and extensive skiing they offer. Why should a bigger resort = bigger costs when there are economies of scale to be had?
I pay the prices as I enjoy my holiday as a whole, as it is, that doesn't mean that I have to be happy with the price I pay for meals/drinks. As I have said here before the bar/restaurant owners can charge what they like for the services they offer, but they also need to be careful that they dont start to price themselves out of the market. I can hear the wind of change etc
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I found Kitzbühel to be very reasonably priced last season and even given the drop in exchange rate, if similar sorts of prices are being charged this season, it wouldn't seem unduly expensive to me given the higher overheads in a ski resort...
However, I'm off to Courmayeur in two weeks and not sure what to expect. Just glad I'm half board so hopefully won't need much in the way of spending money...
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Just come back from Grand Massif (again). Thought that previous reports of expence were way off. Even with the appalling exchange rate v a year ago, my family of five ate really good meals (savoyard obviously) in the evening for less than 20 euros per head, and similar on the slopes with marvellous views for 15 euros per head. I would be having a fantastic Steak, my wife Soup & salad, kids - tartiflette or something similar with plenty of soft drinks, large beer for me and half litre caraf of red for my wife and me. This meal would cost at least the same if not more on my local relatively cheap brasserie in Liverpool. They are trying to make a living, and Skiing is not cheap, neither is lugging all the gear halfway up a mountain. Come on, - if its reasonable prices anyone is after I trust that they have never been to a Coffee shop (all of the latests American mob), - that is a rip off.
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HH, I think around 3.40 is the norm here (for a large cup)- actually La Patache is relatively expensive, but the price of drinks etc hasn't gone up for at least 2 years, if not 3. that's fairly standard here. However there are more expensive cafes in town (L'Oree des Pistes at the bottom of the Lutins is a good example). 3.40 but for a relatively small cup, and right in the village - but then it's frequented by teh ESF and lots of tourists who ski down for a cheaper lunch!! 
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In Alpe d'huez over the New Year I paid 18 euros for four drinks, 2 coffees a coke and a small beer. I also paid 2.5 euros for a small bottle of evian/vittel from a take away hut!!!
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HH, why?
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You know it makes sense.
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HH, why?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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HH, R32 went to ADH one day and was apalled at the prices - said it was way more expensive than here.
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Poster: A snowHead
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easiski, It certainly was last Easter!
Anyway I paid the grand sum of 1.3 euros for a white coffee in Valtournenche (below Cervinia) last Thursday. On the other hand it was about 4.5 - 5 SwFr in Zermatt.
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Colin B, I think all the peeps who reckon Austria is so cheap should look at Italy and Spain!
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Lizzard,
Because we were thirsty?
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HH, you know it's expensive on the mountain. You have pockets and there are (presumably) taps in your accommodation.
I'm sure there are people out there who do this sort of thing deliberately, just in order to moan about prices when they get home.
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Lizzard,
I have about two hundred things already to organise in the morning what with ski school and creche and a very finite amount of time to ski while they are there, forgive me for not trudging around the resort to find the cheapest small bottle of mineral water or small coffee. Here's me thinking it was a holiday. 
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I agree it's nice to stop for a drink or a snack, but unless money is no object it's a case of either going to a less expensive resort, or having a backpack with some essentials, or just grinning and bearing it. Moaning just makes you miserable. Most things are about choosing your priorities - and for me, being in an area where I can afford to eat and drink is more important than having gazillions of "different" (though sometimes not as different as all that) pistes.
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in order to moan about prices when they get home.
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Lizzard, What I find galling is that in most cases (in and around La Plagne) the prices are the same (maybe lower) than last season. So why moan this season? Sure the £ is worth less but it's happened before, I remember 10FF to the £ following season it was 7 to the £, there were moans then but nothing like the moaning on some threads on here and in resort, after all it isn't the resort/restaurant/bars fault that the British pound has taken a dive 
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HH, I was suggesting that you might shove a bottle of tap water in your pocket and then have a cup of tea when you got back after skiing.
Boredsurfing, all much the same here as well. It's undoubtedly more expensive this year for your British skier, but less whining and more picnics/home cooking/supermarket wine boxes could be in order. This is hardly the attitude which won the war, is it, what what? (Twirls handlebar moustache in a pompous fashion.) 
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Boredsurfing, true. We keep on making the winebox mistake, despit the fact that we both definitely know better.
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I think the biggest problem is the lack of quality to go with the high prices. I'd gladly pay €200 every single day for a three-star Michelin lunch, but when you're being asked to drop half that for a tenth of the experience it stretches one's patience a bit.
That said, are we here to have a good time or are we here to count the pennies? My view - if you're worried whether you can afford it, then you shouldn't be there in the first place. €400 for a week of lunches may be a whole load of cheddar, but you've probably waxed four times that on the rest of your holiday without blinking. Order another carafe of rouge and deal with it when you get home...
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Boredsurfing, I'm laughing nervously while realising that I have a box of supermarket wine perched next to the computer right this moment. IT SAVES ME A TRIP TO THE KITCHEN, DAMMIT! 
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FastEddie, clearly you are fabulously wealthy. Mine's a champagne cocktail, thanks.
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You know it makes sense.
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Lizzard, FastEddie, I stopped buying them when I realised a 3litre one was lasting a weekend between 2 
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Poster: A snowHead
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Boredsurfing, we found a 10L one when we went in Jan 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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€400 for a week of lunches may be a whole load of cheddar, but you've probably waxed four times that on the rest of your holiday without blinking. Order another carafe of rouge and deal with it when you get home...
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I hope that's for a large family.
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Lizzard, no, I just like to spend my money proportionate to the hedonistic quality of the financial outlay
Agenterre, €13,50 'just outside Cannes' is like proclaiming that you had a wonderfully cheap sandwich at a shop 'in the next village to Le Manoir au Quat' Saisons'. I'm sure the headline prices in the villages surrounding the 3V are much more in line with the rest of France - but a captive audience is exactly that. Even in Les Gets last year (at €1.30 or so to the pound), MrsFE and I were averaging €60-70 a day for lunch (large beers, starters, tartiflette, shared dessert, express and a litre of rouge). Nobody said it was going to be cheap - but why spend a week in Paradise and only eat dry bread and cheese?
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FastEddie, Large beers & a Litre of wine for the two of you at lunch? How do you ski in the afternoon 
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genepi, the prodigious alcohol absorption of Savoyarde cuisine, the head-clearing qualities of Alpine air, the sharpener of an espresso and the knowledge that the afternoon sees us stick to cruisey blues at a leisurely pace 
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Large beers & a Litre of wine for the two of you at lunch? How do you ski in the afternoon
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I think I might weather the booze better than a starter, a tartiflette and half a dessert......
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Lizzard,
Agenterre, €13,50 'just outside Cannes' is like proclaiming that you had a wonderfully cheap sandwich at a shop 'in the next village to Le Manoir au Quat' Saisons'. |
Not really, its called Mandelieu .. but I only know one person on here knows where that is.
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Agenterre, I know it too - friends have an apartment overlooking the marina there
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