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Thanks for all the info. We'll get some stairs wherever we go, don't mind escalators though.
Bus is out because of space constraints - even in Southampton 4 people plus kit on a bus would be pushing it.
Taxi is expensive and probably won't take all 4 + kit.
So it's likely to be tube, either from Waterloo changing at Oxford Circus, or Vauxhall, having changed at Clapham Junction.
Getting a train back out from Waterloo to Vauxhall isn't good because it will take longer than the Bakerloo/Victoria tubes and, more to the point, SWT will demand another set of fares from us for the Waterloo - Vauxhall journey. The arcane ticketing of SWT doesn't allow you to do Southampton - Vauxhall via Waterloo on one ticket.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Pete Horn, how about - just to add some spice: 
Southampton to East Croydon - there is a direct train (although I don't know if its a fast or slow service). And then change to the First Capital Connect (old Thameslink) train straight through to St Pancras. If you have to change platforms at E Croydon its a ramp, no stairs or escalators.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Bit of specialist south London info coming in there from cathy, sounds like a possible belter.
Pete Horn, there won't be much in it one way or another unless something ghastly happens on one of the routes. Your confidence that this route will be faster than that is ill founded, though. Public transport runs fairly randomly in London, so deciding which route is the quickest is a tricky job. I would be slightly surprised if tube via OC is quicker than train and tube via Vauxhall from W'loo (but I wouldn't put money on it). The thing to do is go for the most convenient which I'd say, from W'loo, is train to V'hall, tube to StP.
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| richmond wrote: |
| Bit of specialist south London info coming in there from cathy, sounds like a possible belter. |
Sounds rather like I spend my weekends hanging out round E Croydon train station.... 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| sherlock235 wrote: |
| try to see in which direction the victoria line train is travelling in, as the back of the northbound trains platform areas tend to get overcrowded. |
At Oxford Circus, if you walk to the right along the Victoria line platform, that will take you to the front of the train. However, the exit you'll want at Kings Cross St Pancras is at the very back of the train 
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| the walk from the king's cross tube to st pancras can be done underground with a little staircase between stations. |
There are actually two short sets of steps, one just after the ticket barriers and one to get up to St Pancras. There are small lifts at both points if you'd rather use them - to the left of the steps in the first case and to the right of the steps in the second case. However, it's not much of a climb in either case.
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| cathy wrote: |
| richmond wrote: |
| Bit of specialist south London info coming in there from cathy, sounds like a possible belter. |
Sounds rather like I spend my weekends hanging out round E Croydon train station.... |
If the anorak fits ... .
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| cathy wrote: |
Pete Horn, how about - just to add some spice:
Southampton to East Croydon - there is a direct train (although I don't know if its a fast or slow service). And then change to the First Capital Connect (old Thameslink) train straight through to St Pancras. If you have to change platforms at E Croydon its a ramp, no stairs or escalators. |
Just for info, there's engineering work on the Thameslink line at the moment, which means there's no cross-London service most weekends, or between 22.30 and 04.30 every week night. It won't affect the outward journey, but possibly could affect the return one.
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Pete Horn,
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Vauxhall, having changed at Clapham Junction.
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Watch out for stairs, particularly the ones at Vauxhall which are killers (it'll be worse on the way back, when you'll be going up them.) cathy's suggestion sounds ace. Hooray for sarf Londoners.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Pete Horn, oooh - change at Clapham Junction I thought it might not exactly be a fast train.......
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Southampton -> Waterloo. Waterloo East -> London Bridge. London Bridge -> St. Pancras on First Capital Connect. Job done!
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| awksquawk wrote: |
| Southampton -> Waterloo. Waterloo East -> London Bridge. London Bridge -> St. Pancras on First Capital Connect. Job done! |
This is getting ridiculous now, but yes, I've been looking at that. The problem is that Nationalrail journey planner won't let you use the trains to get to London Bridge from Waterloo but directs you via the tube, then bumps up the ticket price to match. Cheapest so far is either direct to E Croydon then Worst Capital Connect, but that takes ages, or change at Clapham to get to E Croydon - this is reasonably fast (but defeats the object), both of which costs £28 rather than £30.70 to Waterloo or £34.70 any route that involves a tube.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Waterloo to Waterloo East is far more hassle than Waterloo - Bakerloo Line. London Bridge change will probably involve stairs too.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Haven't had problems carrying the ski bag in a black cab in London... The last time the driver said "What are they, skis? Just be careful, it is a new car..."
But in Paris it was a different story as 2-3 drivers at G de Lyon waved 'Non' at me. However the next one took the skis very willingly.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Pete Horn, I admire your stamina. You may need to consider how much you value yout time at. I suspect that by any reasonable measure, you could have justified doing no research and going by cab.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Isn't there a good route via Richmond? 
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| awksquawk wrote: |
| Southampton -> Waterloo. Waterloo East -> London Bridge. London Bridge -> St. Pancras on First Capital Connect. Job done! |
That is a complete joke. Do not touch this route. Two unnecessary mainline railway station changes.
Personally I'd get the bus. This is London, nobody cares. And if you're outside the rush hour there'll be plenty of space.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Isn't there a good route via Richmond?
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From Southampton, no.
Waterloo to Waterloo East is an escalator up and a flight of stairs down with a two minute walk across in-between.
London Bridge does involve stairs then the FCC train from platform 6. Should be every twenty mins, but often runs late.
There is a station to station bus, direct Waterloo to Liverpool Street which might go on to SP, as it definitely goes on to Paddington. Not the quickest, but designed for baggage.
Taxi?
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Should be every twenty mins, but often runs late.
Without baggage, Waterloo to St Pancras is 15 minutes.
Honest, the tube isn't difficult, the ordnary bus isn't either.
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Ok personally what I'd do - get a taxi at Waterloo. See if you all get into one, if you don't then get another. Each taxi would probably cost about £10-£12.
Second preference - get off at Waterloo, get the tube, change at Oxford Circus. Bit of a nightmare with rush hour commuters but perfectly do-able.
As someone who uses the bus every day in London, from Waterloo up to the Euston Rd - I would not get on the 59 bus in the rush hour with 4 sets of skis/luggage. It's a double decker and there is space downstairs for a wheelchair user or pram but really, even if the driver lets you on, you will just sooooo be in everyone's way.
Good luck!
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