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| achilles wrote: |
| David Goldfish, truly? When have you done that? [skied with Gunnar Munthe, Krazy Kangaruh] |
Back in the days when I could ski with a former manager of the US Ski Team (his one-time occupation) without sh1tting myself. I used to go up to Galzig on the first cablecar (8am). Once you get up there you find lots of groomed snow (or lucky new powder) and fun people for having a whizz. Gunnar's certainly one of them.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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pam w, bear in mind that there's a 'what the market will stand' bonus on top of the risk-assessed cost though. 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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David Goldsmith, cool.
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I mentioned that on average a large resort like Chamonix had on average 6 deaths a year piste/off piste/village in a season and was laughed at.
Not sure about the helmet legislation being effective as most of the poeple being killed are older
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| Ordhan wrote: |
I mentioned that on average a large resort like Chamonix had on average 6 deaths a year piste/off piste/village in a season and was laughed at.
Not sure about the helmet legislation being effective as most of the poeple being killed are older |
That does seem to be a hugely high figure, given that the total number of skie/snowboard deaths across the whole of France was 22 according to the figures above.
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| Bode Swiller wrote: |
| Seventeen Dead... |
Could you give us an update on that figure, Swiller? The lifts have now closed for the day.
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| alex_heney wrote: |
| Ordhan wrote: |
I mentioned that on average a large resort like Chamonix had on average 6 deaths a year piste/off piste/village in a season and was laughed at.
Not sure about the helmet legislation being effective as most of the poeple being killed are older |
That does seem to be a hugely high figure, given that the total number of skie/snowboard deaths across the whole of France was 22 according to the figures above. |
Remember the ENSA figures exclude "out of bounds" accidents. Chamonix has climbing deaths of course. Here is some data
http://pistehors.com/news/forums/viewthread/167/
I believe the figure is something like 50 deaths per year on the French side of Mont Blanc. I'm sure there must be at least a dozen in the other big ranges like the Ecrins.
I don't know about the claim of 6 deaths in resort per season but it is not impossible all things taken into account (excl. natural causes).
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alex_heney, I am including people killed in towns like the poor girl last week, climbers not just ski related but resort related.
I do stand to be corrected as it is a Guestemiate
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| David Goldfish wrote: |
| Bode Swiller wrote: |
| Seventeen Dead... |
Could you give us an update on that figure, Swiller? The lifts have now closed for the day. |
Perhaps a "ticker" in a window next to the snowHeads logo... Season Deaths So Far... Click, there goes another. Sponsorship opportunity maybe.
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| The Grim Swiller wrote: |
Perhaps a "ticker" in a window next to the snowHeads logo... Season Deaths So Far... |
Good creative thinking, except that you need graphics that are more associated with death: crucifixes, creepy figures in black cloaks, skulls, that sort of thing.
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cfc5mu0
"Ambulance surgeon Christian Kaulfersch of Schladming hospital said: "Crashes at 30mph are like a fall straight onto concrete from the second floor."
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Only if you ski into a brick wall.
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P10DW, or more realistically, a tree.
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You know it makes sense.
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| achilles wrote: |
| P10DW, or more realistically, a tree. |
I skied into a tree twenty years ago. I don't do that now. I am worried that a fat Austrian with a helmet on is more likely to ski into me than when not wearing a helmet. Would the woman who recently died have lived if the skier she collided with been helmet free?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Does anyone else think this is an incredibly morbid thread...?
Not trying to diminish the tragedies of the people who do lose their lives in the mountains, but as a proportion of people who enjoy the mountains, they are thankfully very few...
There are safety guidelines in place, and on the whole they appear to be adhered to, with a few minor exceptions. However, accidents happen in all walks of life, tragic but true. Do we go about our daily lives constantly thinking we might die in a road crash...?
I, for one, do not want my thrill and enjoyment of a winter holiday to be clouded by a load of morbid statistics. If there are going to be clouds, then let them be of the snowy variety please...
Lighten up people. Pessimism is a depressing concept...
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Poster: A snowHead
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People will always die/get seriously injured in any sport. Regardless of what "facts" are posted non-helmet preferrers will claim its a conspiracy and helmet evangelists will seize on it.
Personal preference, if they become mandatory in all resorts ski off -resort if it offends you so much or pick your country accordingly. If you wear one don't make a big deal about it - you've only bought a lottery ticket, its better than not having one at all but doesn't guarantee you'll be lucky, same as any safety gear. Good decision making will alwyas trump gear.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Or simply ski slower and live longer 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| queen bodecia wrote: |
| Does anyone else think this is an incredibly morbid thread...? |
Not really, but I find Swiller an incredibly morbid person.
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| rayscoops wrote: |
| Or simply ski slower and live longer |
Or ski slower and get mown down.
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Good point. Match the speed of anyone who's likely to crash into you and you're unlikely to get in trouble. Never stop to admire the scenery or talk to anybody. Just get to the end of the run - it's a lot less long than you think.
Keep death off the piste.
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STOP THE BRUTAL GROOMING 
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Sounds like better life expectancy than vegetating on the couch.
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stanton, you're getting boring on that subject. The holiday punter wants a pisted slope - if you don't like it, buy some touring skis.
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| Lizzard wrote: |
| stanton, you're getting boring on that subject. The holiday punter wants a pisted slope |
Really?
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stanton, yes, really. Get over it.
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| stanton wrote: |
| Lizzard wrote: |
| stanton, you're getting boring on that subject. The holiday punter wants a pisted slope |
Really? |
Of course the great majority do 
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| Masque wrote: |
I agree with stanton, the white autostrada we all love to blast down, are a magnet for unskilled, unprepared, over equipped snowH . . . numpties  |
What, you mean recreational skiers? Stopping the grooming of slopes would be the quickest way to kill the ski industry as we know it. I'm sure that old misery-guts stanton would be happy with that outcome, but I doubt you would?
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You know it makes sense.
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Sorry, I like nice groomed pistes. I start to enjoy myself less if it gets more difficult and I'm sure many 'recreational' skiers feel the same as I do. I'm happy to leave that sort of thing to the off-piste brigade...
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Bode Swiller wrote: |
| This is the equally shocking stat: Austrian authorities predict 5,500 serious head injuries on the slopes this season, and Swiss resorts report about 150 cases every day. |
From the article linked to in the News section on the Austrian sledging accident:
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| This season in Austria there will be at least 55,000 skiing and sledging injuries and 10% of the victims will suffer head inuries, the Austrian traffic safety committee said. |
So it's 5,500 head injuries in total, not serious injuries.
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| Stopping the grooming of slopes would be the quickest way to kill the ski industry as we know it. |
Rob, this seems a slight departure for you ... indulging in wild hyperbole. "... kill the ski industry as we know it" would not actually be the outcome. The vast amounts of fuel consumed by Kassbohrer machines would not be burned. Skiing would become more sustainable and safe. Skiers would rediscover skills they have lost.
The sport would become less Disneyfied and more dignified.
Stanton should not be shot down on this specific issue. I'm not saying he's 100% right, but the grooming could be scaled back from this time onwards.
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David Goldsmith, the idea that snow groomers make a non-negligible contribution to CO2 emissions is laughable. Do the maths.
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David Goldsmith, as a resuklt of which, lots of holidaymakers would cease to do it and therefore lots more people would be out of a job and resorts would close/contract as a result of the fall in demand. Which would indeed be the end of the industry 'as we know it'.
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laundryman, thank you for using my correct surname.
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Lizzard, no-one would be able to fly or drive to the Alps in the Goldsmithian dystopia, which would certainly kill skiing as we know it.
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Climbers don't demand groomed terrain.
Golfers certainly do. But it doesn't result in death on the 13th green.
We're trying to reduce the death toll here.
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David Goldsmith, not hyperbole, IMO. I'd say that No grooming = 90% reduction in skier numbers over a 10 year period. Resorts would completely shut with that level of reduced business. Bet you'd be happy though.
Your point about the CO2 emissions from pistebashers is just silly
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A number of perfectly-groomed posters to this thread seem to be crushing, rolling and raking any counter-argument.
How is it that this vast sport has only about three ski areas internationally which consciously and deliberately refuse to groom snow?
Where's the choice? People almost certainly ski slower and more skilfully in places like La Grave, Alagna (not sure if it still has the policy), and Mad River Glen.
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| David Goldfish wrote: |
| People almost certainly ski slower and more skilfully in places like La Grave |
Blimey, you're right! I'd forgotten the well known beginners resort La Grave which could be a model for all the current ski areas to aspire to
David the kind of extremism that you advocate in many different ways on this forum indicates to me that you have no regard for the "common skier" and that you would be happy to sacrifice the enjoyment of millions of people who look forward to a week or two in the mountains each year.
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ousekjarr, Thank you for the clarification. Sledging has always been more dangerous than skiing. there was a sledging death at Box Hill when I was a kid - the person sledged straight off the little wall at the bottom and into a car!
davidof, thank you too.
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