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arv, SL/GS Labs > Rocker IMHO 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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What about Atomic? Skied the Metron 9 at the Boot Camp in Dec and thought they were a great on piste ski.
Are they seriously uncool?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Phil_D, their race skis are the dog's, everything else is way uncool.
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Desirability is very much in the eyes of the individual. While brands such as Rossi & Solly seem to achieve a premium on ebay, you'll find gear whores on TGR who'll only consider boutique ski brands or specific high end models from certain manufacturers.
Blizzard make some great skis but in the UK seem only to be sold in low end/old models by ebay merchants like Ski Warehouse.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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For me it's Stockli.
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Megamum asked if there was a pecking order. One pecking order that most people would recognise and agree with
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My god! Is that what this is all about? the fact that my use of English led you to perceive that I was after a single specific list. Not so, but I do think there is a perception of brand desirability which will sit the likes of High Society, White dot Freeride, Vist, Icelantic at the top, the middle ground occupied by the likes Elan (who might nudge the top group), Volkl, Fisher possibly Rossis, and the bottom ground being held by Salomon and Head
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| Phil_D, their race skis are the dog's, everything else is way uncool. |
we need a  cool wall
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True customs and top-market boutiques>
Movement, Hart (new ones), Vist, High Society, Lacroix, Kastle, PM Gear >
Stockli, G3, Black Diamond (Volant would love to be here but aren't) >
Volkl, Blizzard, Fischer, Dynastar, Head >
Atomic, K2, Salomon, Nordica >
Elan, Rossignol, Dynamic, Line >
Sporten, Lusti, Alpina, Pale usw.
Anything telemark moves you up half a tier. Yes, this means Karhu has more pow cred than Line.
Anything with (this year's marketing feature - rocker, reverse/reverse) moves you up half a tier
Anything 'park' moves you down half a tier.
Anything 'boutique' like Armada that don't build their own skis moves you up half a tier from the actual mfg.
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| Arno wrote: |
| rob@rar wrote: |
| Phil_D, their race skis are the dog's, everything else is way uncool. |
we need a cool wall |
Agreed, my vote is Stockli for 'Sub-Zero'
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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rob@rar,
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Megamum asked if there was a pecking order.
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Oh, I see. That is indeed what she asked. Well spotted. I really ought to learn how to read small print. 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Megamum, I think on this site there's a tendency for the newer manufacturers to be recommended to a poster looking for advice over the more mainstream. You'll get a lot of people recommending a 4FRNT, Line or Armada vs a Head, Rossignol or Dynastar (ignoring Arno pimping the Legend series, look how much that cost me!) despite all of the latter group offering skis that fit the bill.
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| Bode Swiller wrote: |
| but I'd definitely put Salomon & Rossi at the very bottom |
Their race department skis are pretty decent. |
Indeed they are but desireability has never been solely about performance. They are mass market therefore not cool.
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You know it makes sense.
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| Megamum wrote: |
| I do think there is a perception of brand desirability which will sit the likes of High Society, White dot Freeride, Vist, Icelantic at the top, the middle ground occupied by the likes Elan (who might nudge the top group), Volkl, Fisher possibly Rossis, and the bottom ground being held by Salomon and Head |
So you do think there is a generally agreed pecking order? Or am I missing something really obvious?
BTW, you're aware that the first four brands you list are all imported or manufactured by kiwi1 and that it is extremely unlikely that very many people outside of this forum will have heard of those brands.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Bode Swiller wrote: |
| rob@rar wrote: |
| Their race department skis are pretty decent. |
Indeed they are but desireability has never been solely about performance. They are mass market therefore not cool. |
I agree, I'd say for the majority of people it's very rarely to do with performance. It's much more about price and aspiration. And people have different price points and different aspirations, and there is very little which differentiates
brands so I don't see how there can be a widely agreed pecking order for ski brands.
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Poster: A snowHead
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comprex, 1/(number of pairs on mountain / coolness of mountain) * number of upturned ends to the ski * waist size in mm / (number of no-idea Brits skiing them).
Unfortunately Stoeckli are a bit screwed over by that formula due to Spyerman's predilections 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Any manufacturer who's pumping out mainsteam skis for the rental market, no matter what other products they make is going to be seen as un-cool, because people will see the same name on them as they see on the skis being worn by beginners. Which is why small niche brands survive, even though their products might be inferior to the mass market stuff.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Sideshow_Bob, waist size too, or did Stoeckli finally make a large mould?
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| Sideshow_Bob wrote: |
| Dynastar (ignoring Arno pimping the Legend series, look how much that cost me!) |
only the ones made in the race room 
i think the best example of how hard it is to categorise a ski manufacturer as a whole (as opposed to individual skis) cool or uncool is Volant. most of their skis i think are silly looking metal things. decidedly uncool. BUT they made the Spatula 5 or 6 years ago. The first reverse/reverse ski. So ahead of its time that other mainstream manufacturers are only now catching up. That is enough to override all the other silly Volant skis IMO
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I knew that Kiwi1 was connected with Icelantic and White Dot Freeride, I had forgotten about the other two.
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Megamum, after all that I think the answer to your question is that no, there isn't a pecking order that anyone could agree on.
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Megamum, Icelantic are Colorado-based, everyone knows about them.
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| Arno wrote: |
| the thing is, almost every mainstream brand has what I would term "punter" skis. |
Can you give us a quick list of classic punter / top end skis ?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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daehwons, it would spoil it if i publicised my prejudices. however, i would be happy to share them in a lift line or at an apres ski bar 
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You know it makes sense.
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bit of trolling here but i find it interesting that Megamum, a keen but early stage skier, recons that skis such as High Society and Icelandic and a brand that doesnt yet exist (whitedot) are so high in "desirability". As far as i can see they are specialist skis designed for deep off piste light champagne powder found in the west coast USA. pretty much a waste of time for most snowheads and the type of terrain and conditions they ski on...
How is it that a ski that is just being designed and tested is somehow superior/ more desirable to brands that have made skis for yonks, have a top race pedigree, loads of happy users and huge support structure? The power of snowheads 
cause a few plug their wares here and the resulting dogma from a few keen enthusiasts takes root doesnt make these boutique brands any good...
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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skimottaret, Trolling accepted as offered. It's the power of the marketing isn't it and what people do with it? It's one reason why I said that I am not exposed to much ski 'media' beyond what I see here. I realise that the brands I've flagged are smaller niche brands. My perception is that they will be seen as more desirable because they are rarer.
B.t.w. dogma taking root in me isn't quite the case, I realise the brands in question for the skis they are/will be, but I don't think that will lower the perception of the brands themselves on the slopes.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| My point is there is no agreed pecking order. It will vary significantly from person to person. Unlike cars, where this is most certainly a pecking order. |
So are we saying that one brand of ski doesn't improve your chances of a sh@g more than another ? Just thought I'd check...
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Jerry wrote: |
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| My point is there is no agreed pecking order. It will vary significantly from person to person. Unlike cars, where this is most certainly a pecking order. |
So are we saying that one brand of ski doesn't improve your chances of a sh@g more than another ? Just thought I'd check... |
Not in my experience, sadly. A ski instructor's badge on the other hand...
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| Jerry wrote: |
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| My point is there is no agreed pecking order. It will vary significantly from person to person. Unlike cars, where this is most certainly a pecking order. |
So are we saying that one brand of ski doesn't improve your chances of a sh@g more than another ? Just thought I'd check... |
Not in my experience, sadly. A ski instructor's badge on the other hand... |
Priceless
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| Not in my experience, sadly. A ski instructor's badge on the other hand... |
How's the BASI training going rob ?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Jerry wrote: |
| rob@rar wrote: |
| Not in my experience, sadly. A ski instructor's badge on the other hand... |
How's the BASI training going rob ? |
Ah, now you should mention it...
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| Jerry wrote: |
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| My point is there is no agreed pecking order. It will vary significantly from person to person. Unlike cars, where this is most certainly a pecking order. |
So are we saying that one brand of ski doesn't improve your chances of a sh@g more than another ? Just thought I'd check... |
Not in my experience, sadly. A ski instructor's badge on the other hand... |
Blimey. In that case, it's obviously time that I got myself out of the age-induced mindset which makes me still think that most ski-instructors are cowherds with poor teeth.
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| Hurtle wrote: |
| Blimey. In that case, it's obviously time that I got myself out of the age-induced mindset which makes me still think that most ski-instructors are cowherds with poor teeth. |
Get your coat Rob...
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Just ask it straight....what brands will make Megamum look cool..??
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