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I am doing a teaching course this month and I am hearing that a big reason for failure is the lack of ability to provide good constructive feedback for higher level skiers. I feel pretty confident about this but if anyone has any links for information or pointers on identifying faults on the hill and during video review i am all ears.....
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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No particular advice from me but when I'm looking at people skiing I like to start by trying to understand what their skis are doing, and how they're being manipulated. I think there's a danger of looking at the overall picture and being distracted by what they are doing with, for example, their arms or upper body or whether they in the 'right' position, and failing to understand if they are getting the fundamentals of ski technique right.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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skimottaret, Focus on the basics...as you would for teaching a beginner. Stance correct ? Required range of movement ? Uneeded movements, Rotation. Say what you see.
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Rob yeah i always start at the snow and work my way up the chain. I guess what i was after was more situational suggestions and if this then prescribe that ideas for typical high end faults.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Have a framework that you always use, the basi elements are a good start, start from the feet and work up, end with flow.
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Slight cross post, as for remedies you can`t go far wrong with drills as long as you get the right one for the issue at hand.
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ski, fair point and good suggestions... perhaps i am getting to technical in my thinking. Im just off two weeks of training and we did lots of video review over lunches and the trainers were quite good at getting everyone to contribute on what they were seeing.
I was kinda surprised at how bad some were at identifying faults. a few others that could see the faults had no suggestions on how to put things right. My second trainer was very much back to basics and pick one thing at a time to work on
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That's a good suggestion. Will go down especially well with a few Trainers I skied with last season.
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skimottaret, Most people's faults are fairly basic, but look for the reason behind the symptom not just the cure for the symptom. If they have an A frame - why? What's happening to cause it? That sort of thing. Basics, basics, basics. good luck
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skimottaret, did you get shaxted's teaching emails? I was too busy to do them myself but I know quite a few did do them and it did look like interesting stuff which I should get into when I have more time.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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slikedges, no not at all.. from xscape? could you forward if you still have them scott@skimottaret.com
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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skimottaret, will look for them and forward all tomorrow 
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slikedges, thanks... after Steve J left i havent gotten any training stuff...
are the little ones up on sunday? they get me this weekend and i have evil drills for them.... 
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You know it makes sense.
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skimottaret,
I agree with easiski, regarding Basics, Basics, Basics. I would also say do not teach anything you do not have a good understanding of & can demonstrate.
On my ISIA course people failed for trying to teach bumps, when they could not demonstrate what they were trying to teach & safety on a steep pitch which was unsuitable for the task.
The requirements for ISIA & ISTD are also very different. Which course are you doing?
Think about the performance threads and be prepared to teach something which is NOT Technical.
Good luck
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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How to do Movement Analysis was very much lacking in my Anwarter course, but during our own video analysis it was really down to the words of rob@rar, easiski and stewart... Basics Basics Basics, from the bottom to the top (so focus to skis/feet first, then look higher up)
I think easiski has written several times on the forum... "Are the skis doing the right thing?"
slikedges, teaching emails  ? I'm very interested in the movement analysis thing, as its imho really important and we got pretty much nothing of it during the anwarter.
skimottaret, good luck!
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I've been on the receiving end of numerous vid MA's from Warren Smith one of the first things he's always looking for is both ski's changing angles/edges simultaneously. If not, then why not etc.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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skimottaret,
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all my time has been on dry slopes and the last 18 months part time in a dome
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Not necessarily a bad thing. You'll have spent much more time at the bottom of the slope, watching your skiers, than you would in the mountains. I would NOT have too much of a plan on what too teach until you get there, once you've seen what your fellow coursemates can/cannot do, you can work from there. Basics and S-E-L are worth remembering
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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skimottaret, P S-G has always said to me, 'Look at the skis, what are they doing?' If the skis are doing good things, then the person on them is doing good things too, if they're not, look for what's causing the problems.
We looked at some Golf Pros taking shots in slow mo, at the point of contact between club and ball the frames looked identical, but the overall look of the swings was often very different. Don't be put off if what you see in a skiers movements doesn't fit the 'Model' in your head.
Look at the difference in skiing between someone like Bode Miller & Hermann Maier, both very different to watch, but equally effective.
Another tip is to change your viewing point when observing other skiers, don't always stand at the bottom of the hill and watch. I find it better to be half way down sometimes, so as to see the skier coming towards, side on and from behind also.
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stewart woodward, sorry didnt phrase that right, was trying to come up with a few ideas to use for each of the teaching styles... What the heck is climate setting? Should i bring some crystals or fairy dust to sprinkle on the mock students 
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climate setting? Don't remember that last time i read the manual? 
skimottaret,
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I also have to admit to have never taught in the mountains, all my time has been on dry slopes and the last 18 months part time in a dome. I think that is going to cause me problems as well....
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Funny, i was thinking about this last night - at first my teaching was all on the mountain, but in last year it's all been on artificial slopes. I was thinking to myself that i should get some more teaching practice on the mountain prior to my ISIA teach so the safety element becomes second nature again. No matter how good your lesson is you'll fail if you forget something basic like stopping below a ridge or choosing inappropriate terrain!
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beanie1, glad i wasnt the only one to have missed the climate setting bits... will be boning up this week. Or having the Trainer change to inappropriate terrain and watch your carefully laid out lesson plan go wrong as you mess up the demos
stewart woodward, glad to hear she is back in action!!
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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skimottaret, yeah nightmare wasn't it, i don't think that'd happen in the teach though as you're being assessed.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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whit the new skis.....it is too easy ski.....so sometime watching just the skis.....is not enough......what is important for me (naturally also what they wrote before me) is change the arc during the video.......cause with the change of the ritme.....everyproblem arrive.......
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You know it makes sense.
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skimottaret, so you passed?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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beanie1, yup.. all got through even one who was useless which kinda shocked the rest of the group...
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Poster: A snowHead
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skimottaret, how useless is useless?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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young racer very full of himself, done some coaching but no instructing. didnt make any changes to his skiing all week, on the wee wee and fell asleep in one session. hadnt read any of the material and couldnt answer a single question. cried off hurt second last afternoon with a dodgy knee and later admitted that he spent the time reading the manual so he could pass final day. three poor lessons and his last lesson to get his pass he stopped the group at the exit of a fun GS course in a beginners area and a kid skied into one of us... trainer passed him on a scraped through basis but makes you wonder sometimes about BASI fast tracking racers...
rest of group was very strong
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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skimottaret, he passed?! gosh!
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beanie1, there is hope for you yet 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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skimottaret, ha ha, just what i was thinking! My problem is i'd be just so nervous, i hate people watching me teach... The tech scares me a whole lot less!
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AWESOME!!
Well done. Who was your Trainer?
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skimottaret, Well done mate 
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beanie1, you would be fine...
rob@rar, jim lister, fantastic trainer.
only advice would be as per others above. keep it simple, use lots of teaching styles, be comfortable analysing ISIA level skiers and being able to make suggestions and feedback at that level, READ AND KNOW EVERYTHING IN THE MANUALs, Jim's knowledge was encyclopedic and he never stopped asking questions on the hill. just about ever lesson revolved around Central theme and have lots of ideas on how to deliver CT to ISIA level guys.
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skimottaret, Does your Tech course start tomorrow?
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Spyderman, yup, been sharpening edges and rubbing my knees today...
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