 Poster: A snowHead
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This was originally posted in the "why can't people learn to carry skis the right way". I submit what was "the right way" is now the "wrong" way for many!
| Yoda wrote: |
| skiben, but you are balanced when the tips are down and your arm is resting on the front of the skis. With tips up there is insufficient length of ski from your shoulder to the tails to get much useful leverage, and hence there is a considerable strain on you. |
That works better for the old generation of long straight skis than for the shorter morden shape skis. Morden skis are so much shorter (160-180cm). The length from tip to binding is no longer than the shorter portion of tail to binding of yesterday's straight skis of 200+cm!!!
And this is considerably worse for skier of smaller statue (small skier == shorter skis) with their 150cm skis. Talk about "insufficent length for leverage"!!! 
| Megamum wrote: |
| ...the tails of the skis with all the binding behind the shoulder makes them so difficult to balance with the arm as they are just soooo heavy. I say this as a non-petite lady used to working on a smallholding - heaven knows how more petite ladies must get on |
That's exactly the reason why many of us ("more petite ladies") DON'T carry skis tips down!
The true is, you're not "resting" your arms on the tip of the skis, you're PUSHING down on it in order to balance out the full weight of the binding behind your shoulder! Except, of course, those with rather heavy arms, that is.
And the shorter the ski (ski length proportional to weight), the more you have to PUSH DOWN to counter balance the weight of the ski, since you have less leverage for that critical "counter balance"! Obviously, the generally shorter length of morden shaped skis just made the matter so much worse. And twin tips? Totally impratical!
The more some people try to justify their "right way" of carrying skis, the more it exposes why it's the WRONG way for others.
Carrying skis tips down is a relic left over from the long straight ski days. Those who defended it as "tradition" are ignoring the real reason for its popularity then. but just blindly doing what they've been doing without understanding of why (hence why it's no longer applicable).
Last edited by Poster: A snowHead on Thu 11-12-08 13:53; edited 1 time in total
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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You lot are all mental. 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Surely people should carry skis in a way in which they find comfortable, other than that I can't see where an argument lies? 
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abc, I agree and we also don't have to carry skis as far as we did, but try telling that to the youth of today.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Surely one thread on this topic is sufficient? Not even the glove issue spawned more than one!
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abc, I carry my 155 Fischers (and all other skis) in the old 'correct' way and there's no need to push on the tips - the weight of my not very big arm is enough! Carrying skis the wrong way puts others in danger - I can't tell you how many times I've been whacked or nearly whacked by idiots swinging round with their skis behind their shoulders at shoulder level - ouch!
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I've carried all my skis tips down/binding above shoulder. That way has worked equally well for old style 200cm things I used to ski on, down to 155cm WC slalom skis. I don't thing there is a "right" way to carry skis, although if you bash into other people with your skis or poles there is most certainly a "wrong" way. But reverting to math to "prove" an argument about how to carry skis safely runs the risk of turning an already turgid subject into something like the 'inner tip lead' thread.
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I always leave the ski carrying to my butler and I suggest you adopt the same approach yourselves.
I know what you're thinking... yes he does get a day off ! … on those occasions the chauffer simply has to do BOTH jobs himself.
That’s all I have to say on the subject
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Oh dear, that's the trouble with starting new threads - all the points made in the original ones come round again.
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who started this carrying skis over the shoulder thing anyway? whoever it was should have been shot. Along with people who get onto trains holding their sticks at a right angle to the ground.
/Icanfeeltheragebuilding 
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stab, indeed, points also made on the original thread. 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Yes but whats the correct way to carry my poles? Is just taking both straps in my left hand and kind of letting then dangle down and drag behind me OK, or does it look more professional to click them together and hold them in the middle of the pole, also with my left hand, or should I kind of tie them to my skis and also ballance them over my shoulder and rest my right hand on them (tips down) so my left hand is left free to fend off other queuers and insert lift tickets into machines, or would I get along better if just left them lying and stole new poles at the restaurant at the top of the run
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| Hurtle wrote: |
| stab, indeed, points also made on the original thread. |
I tried to read that thread but it hurt my head after half of page 1.
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You know it makes sense.
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I can't see where an argument lies?
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Spikyhedgehog,
You are young in posts
Arguments spring from nowhere
Unbidden but long
(where's the zen smiley?)
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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Yes, the first thread was already getting most points coming round for the third or fourth time
To repeat what I've said 3 times and others have said repeatedly - people should do what works for them (if it really does work and they are not threatening other people's safety).
We off piste skiers (as I've said on the other thread) have to carry our skis long distance quite frequently and what is being called the "right" way is what works for us (I've never met someone who thought differently). What might work for very short skis I can't say and if you are only carrying them a couple of hundred yards on a road, it doesn't matter anyway.
(By the way I am assuming that the "other" way of carrying being put forward is with the shoulder between the two halves of the binding?)
Last edited by Poster: A snowHead on Thu 11-12-08 10:53; edited 2 times in total
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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why carry skis at all when you can just sling a board under one arm
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| rayscoops wrote: |
| why carry skis at all when you can just sling a board under one arm |
Ouch, now that must be tiring.
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I have this great picture in my head of hundreds of english skiers at the lifts arguing with each other about who is carrying their ski's the correct way and why its better than anything else, whilst everyone else just gets on with F*****G skiing all the powder!
Then once they all get going, all they will do is complain about it all being tracked out!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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(By the way I am assuming that the "other" way of carrying being put forward is with the shoulder between the two halves of the binding?)
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That would reduce the length of the 'invisible' swinging end. Never tried it though. It used to be easy to carry skis upright holding them near the tips, but these big wide ends have put paid to that!
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Mosha Marc, 
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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rayscoops,
interesting...does your technique work for a wide board?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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The only thing I'm interested in is how to carry a coffin
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Kruisler, yes, it just means that the angle of my arm from 'hand to elbow' is slightly greater in comparison with a non wide board, but you must wear a glove to ensure that you do not cut your self on edge of the board, unless you are a jib monkey and you have detuned the board anyway !!
If all else fails the 'James Dean over the shoulder but behind the head' technique is a good alternative option
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You know it makes sense.
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Could anyone tell me the correct way to:
a) carry my skis
b) and at least 2 sets of kids skis
c) my wife's ski boots
..............and still have a hand free to help the youngest
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| pam w wrote: |
You are young in posts
Arguments spring from nowhere
Unbidden but long
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If I ever used signature quotes I'd be really tempted to steal that. It even has the requisite seasonal reference (well, it mentions "spring" anyway).
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Poster: A snowHead
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| David Goldsmith wrote: |
| The only thing I'm interested in is how to carry a coffin |
Perhaps these two ladies may be able to help?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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i get the wife to carry mine
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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abc, disagree. sorry. 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Surely the best way is to have them carried by your ski caddy?
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Basically, skis are too short these days to be carried comfortably, unless you have your arms surgically shortened.
Short skis suck. Long skis truck.
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| abc wrote: |
| I don't see what difference it makes carrying it tip forward or tail forward. |
Given the choice of a rounded part at the front of the toepiece digging into my shoulder, or the normally sharp/pointed rear of the heelpiece binding digging into my shoulder I know which one I prefer. Also, tips down means there is slightly less ski above your head, which can make a difference when walking into lift buildings, underneath shopfront signs and similar overhangs.
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paulcl, no need to steal it, I'll give it to you.
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pam w, did you steal it (well, adapt it) from some long dead honourable Japanese guy?
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FAQ
I may well get a leash though for an alternative method 
