 Poster: A snowHead
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Anyone skied both on a mountain? I've tried both at MK (166cm and 172cm respectively) and must say was pleasantly surprised at their ability to clean carve pretty short turns. What're they like when opened up into big fast carves on hard snow? What're they like on bumps? Thing is, maybe I need to ski both more (and somewhere a bit more open  ), but they didn't seem to feel all that different...
The Neos are supposedly better on piste (steel thingumy in base thingy so more rebound) and the Punisher off piste but I'm not big and heavy and I reckon the Neos will give me sufficient support in soft snow so perversely am not so concerned about off piste performance (though that's obviously what I want them for).
Any thoughts, please?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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never skiied the neo's and anyone who reads the threads will know my view of the punisher...pretty poor but then i suppose they're an intermediate-type ski??? i thought they were soft and lacked support in pow, really crap on the piste, ok-ish for jibbing, but theres plenty who love 'em! but if you like 'em......
personally i'd go for something from the movement/icelantic/line/black crows range, could'nt fault those, theyre pretty special.
maybe a wee bit more info, weight/height/ability/intended use would help out those guys who've skiied them and im happy to help out any specific questions ya got, back in may i did a ski review on here that has these skis in,maybe worth searching out???
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the_doc, which of those is most capable of clean carved slalom turns, which is quickest edge-to-edge? All fat skis lose piste performance and I want to lose as little piste performance as possible.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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slikedges, I've just got some Punishers (191) that are now waiting for their NTN bindings and all I can say is that they're F'n stiff and although wide at the waist it's still a deep sidecut from those fat ugly shovels so it'll probably mean that they need to have their neck's rung on piste . . . and from all the reading I've done, they respond well in hard conditions as long as you're positive/energetic. The setup will be convertible between telemark and alpine so it'll be interesting to see how they fare with different weighting inputs.
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I have last season's Neos and I love them - responsive and a bit forgiving. You can take the anywhere and they'll keep working.
On the other hand the Punishers are just as good but a little less stiff.
What made me decide was that I got a good deal on the Neos.
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The_Hirsty, The Neos are STIFFER 
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I found the Punishers to have quite a medium flex with the Neos being just marginally stiffer.
It may have changed for this season though.
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I'm going with Line Prophet 100s this season as a do-it-all ski. But they're only ever going to see Western Canada, so no need to account for serious hardpack or moguls. Prophet 90s might be a good alternative, particularly for a lighter skier. My current Head Monster iM82s are also a great allrounder and they certainly do work really well on piste with hardly any compromise.
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Thanks for all your opinions so far. Along with Punisher 89mm and Neo 83mm, the other skis I've been recommended were the iM82 and Tornado 76mm. Haven't been recommended anything at 79 or 80mm or thereabouts. Tornados (not sure which of 3 versions I was on  ) are pretty nippy, but thought I should try a little fatter. Haven't had the opportunity to ski iM82, but might get to in 6 days or so...
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I've got the Aztec Pros which are essentially a slightly narrower Neo. They've got the titanal layer too and they have a HUGE amount of rebound. Great for short snappy turns on piste but fairly skittish on ice. Off piste is where they really shine, even though they're 78mm waist. I'm pretty light though (70kg)...
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Sharkymark, thanks for reminding me about those. They should be on my list because though I haven't been recommended them recently, I skied them for a few days a couple of years ago and enjoyed them both on and off piste.
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175cm a bit short for me now and will probably get something fatter...but stay with Scott as I like the feel of all of their skis I've tried
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