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Attn: Spyderjon / Other technical dudes

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Can I build a very rough binding testing weapon out of a torque wrench?

I have a simple torque wrench and an even simpler technical mind (actually I have managed to replace the head on a 2.4TD engine so maybe not that bad Wink )

I am less worried about the vertical release element, I am interested in lateral release.

I would like to spend some time playing around with a couple of pairs of bindings that I have for the missus and compare "twisting" realease-ability for some Dynafits, Naxos, Look Nx10, Look FKS & maybe some Diamirs.

I wondered if I could put something in the bottom of the boot, probably something foot shaped to take up the space - maybe a shoe tree? Extension bar up from the 'shoe tree' and then in to the torque wrench.

I totally get that this wouldn't give anywhere near accurate reading but I should be able to gauge some consistency between the different binders... Or not?

How different is this (general approach) from proper binding test equipment? I have never seen any...

I'm too busy to be doing this now, which makes me think I probably will waste some time on it. snowHead
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Here's a pic of my Huber machine: http://www.jonsskituning.co.uk/content/view/26/39/

A manual device of the type you're thinking of was made by Vermont Safety but I'm not sure if it's still available: http://www.vermontskisafety.com/assets/files/VERMONT-RELEASE-CALIBRATER.pdf

Pretty straight forward to cobble a foot/lower leg assembly together to which you could attached a torque wrench. I've found very little variance in vertical release values on heel pieces but plenty of variance in lateral toe release so you're right to concentrate on that.

Give me a few mintues & I'll post a pic of the foot/leg unit from my machine.
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spyderjon, got wide-ski fittings for the Huber yet?
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achilles, hopefully by Crimbo - my new toys are 112mm so I need them for myself.
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spyderjon wrote:
achilles, hopefully by Crimbo - my new toys are 112mm so I need them for myself.


Hmm - wonder what they might be wink
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parlor wrote:
I wondered if I could put something in the bottom of the boot, probably something foot shaped to take up the space - maybe a shoe tree? Extension bar up from the 'shoe tree' and then in to the torque wrench.


Old boot could do the job..... drill a hole through the bottom and put a large bolt through with a nut on top, might need to use a countersunk allen bolt
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daehwons wrote:
.....Old boot could do the job..... drill a hole through the bottom and put a large bolt through with a nut on top, might need to use a countersunk allen bolt

Good idea if you can stay with one boot size.
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spyderjon, Hah! Most excellent. I'll add a bindings check on top of the servicing in the New Year, if that's OK.
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daehwons wrote:
Old boot could do the job..... drill a hole through the bottom and put a large bolt through with a nut on top, might need to use a countersunk allen bolt


Ohhh, that's a good idea. (Providing it then fits in all the bindings which include alpine and touring bindings).

So are we thinking this is more use that just seeing how much force it takes to kick the boot out of the bindings? Smile
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parlor wrote:
......So are we thinking this is more use that just seeing how much force it takes to kick the boot out of the bindings? Smile

Oh yeh Cool

Now I've just got to get you on some Metron's & my work is done wink
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parlor wrote:
daehwons wrote:
Old boot could do the job..... drill a hole through the bottom and put a large bolt through with a nut on top, might need to use a countersunk allen bolt


Ohhh, that's a good idea. (Providing it then fits in all the bindings which include alpine and touring bindings).

So are we thinking this is more use that just seeing how much force it takes to kick the boot out of the bindings? Smile


Been thinking about this a little bit more....

if its just a simple test you require that is easily done and provides a bit more than the good ole kick.....

get some boot sole thickness wood and trace and cut the correct size for your bindings x2

mount the two bits of "boot sole" wood to a 'taller' bit of wood so that you can clip the skis together...

here is the clever bit, two equally set binding of the same din should almost release at the same time when you twist the skis in opposite directions.

also the twisting can be done easier because of the leverage you have.

you could also put said test rig in vise with one ski and use a spring balance to provide the pull to test different bindings
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spyderjon wrote:
Oh yeh Cool

Now I've just got to get you on some Metron's & my work is done wink


spyderjon wrote:
achilles, hopefully by Crimbo - my new toys are 112mm so I need them for myself.


Nah, show me how to use an edge file and I think we'll call it quits. Wink

daehwons, hmmmm, I think in this instance it will be hard for me to compare say a Dynafit with an FKS... I like the idea though.
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parlor, not sure about using an old boot. Jon tested all my skis recently and the biggest problem was the boots themselves as they had a few gouges and scrapes that caused them to get stuck in certain positions when trying to release. filed out al the dings and they were much more consistent. There is also the sole wear to consider which may screw things up.

Cool idea on the torque wrench setup good luck with it... Toofy Grin
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skimottaret, you're right about the boot, it's not going to work. The main exercise of this is to try and reassure Mrs P about her boots in different bindings, especially touring bindings.
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Here's the foot/leg unit off my Huber. The foot is a series of links that retract inside the leg by pulling the red cord to allow for differeing shell lengths. The strap goes under the boot heel for testing the vertical heel release.
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