 Poster: A snowHead
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Hi
Just found this forum - looks good.
Has anyone any tips (who to use and who not to use) for insurance for the BASI off piste mountain safety. Well outside the resort area so my normal insurnace (dog tag) won't cover I think, so is BMC the only good option.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Welcome to  s Wayne.
I did that course last season and just used my DogTag insurance. You want to double check, but it covers off-piste skiing with a guide and, as you're accompanied by guides the whole time, then you should be covered. Nothing on the (ISIA) course involves ropes, so you don't cross over into "ski mountaineering".
Saying that, the BMC insurance really is the dog's doobries.
You could also consider getting a Carte Neige.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Wayne, welcome to snowHeads  That's a good point. I'm planninng to do that course in March and will double check my insurance (Direct Travel). From what I can remember off-piste was allowed provided it was within the relevant guideline of the resort (eg if the resort specifies you must ski with a guide, you will only be covered if you ski with a guide). As PhillipStanton said, I think you are always accompanied on the Mountain Safety course.
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Wayne, I've used Dogtag and I think it does cover - yes you will be outside resort area, but you will be with a mountain guide. I had Dogtag at the time i did this course i think.
You could also try Direct Travel. BMC is expensive i think?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Snowcard have loads of options, and realy were good when I did my ACL. I think I will use them again now i am repaired.
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Thanks for all the tips
I'll look into it more tommorrow. Got Zermat end of Nov so I had better my act together. Normally just take out for season cover with dog tag for work so will call dog tag and see what they say about Zermat.
Not heard of Snowcards before so will look at them and see what they say as well.
Not sure why dog tag is not on basi website links any more. They used to give a basi discount. Hope they still do
Cheers all
W
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rob@rar, Wayne, i did it on direct travel plus carte neige. Called direct travel and spoke to a specialist and he said yes professional courses two weeks or under on or off piste were covered within resort boundary...
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skimottaret, thanks for that, I'll also supplement the Direct Travel policy with Carte Neige.
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Just a warning that, in Zermatt at least, they may take you outside of the resort boundary. Waaaaaaay outside the resort boundary on the day tour.
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Wayne, BASI offer insurance for their courses. I don't have any information about the cover or value for money though. I have found Snowcard good.
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nordicfan - good point. Unfortunately for Wayne the BASI insurance requires you to start and end your trip in the UK.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Pretty sure when I did it Dogtag covered - off piste within boundary without a guide, and off piste outside boundary with a guide (no ropes).
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| PhillipStanton wrote: |
| Just a warning that, in Zermatt at least, they may take you outside of the resort boundary. Waaaaaaay outside the resort boundary on the day tour. |
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There is no resort boundary in European resorts - so insurers cannot make any rules about this. There is just on and off piste.
My ski insurance through the Ski Club of GB includes, as standard, off-piste without a guide - and some others do too
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You know it makes sense.
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| PhillipStanton wrote: |
| Just a warning that, in Zermatt at least, they may take you outside of the resort boundary. Waaaaaaay outside the resort boundary on the day tour. |
Thanks for that - I will have more sleepless nights now
I have spoken to Dog Tag and they are going to call me back later
I did the ISIA tech earlier this year in Zermat and I did see the off piste course going up and down some crazy slopes so hope I'll manage it, if not.... see you in April
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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snowball,
You are right - i think the classification is off piste and glacier - so the Dogtag insurance will allow you to ski off piste not on glaciers without a guide, but on glaciers you must have a guide.
If you are doing the off piste course in Zermatt you will most likely ski on glaciers with the guide.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Yes, glaciers are (rightly) different, though sometimes (as at Argentierre for example) you don't always know quite where you are or are not on a glacier unless you have a map. But I almost always buy a 1:25,000 map in places I may ski off piste without a guide. Though Italian maps are terrible - very crude and contour lines every 20m instead of 10m.
Last edited by Poster: A snowHead on Thu 30-10-08 12:20; edited 2 times in total
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I have just taken out Dog Tag Annual Multi-Trip, Individual / the middle option of the 3
£120 for the year up to 60 days. Which is what I need ...2 weeks on the basi things (well I "hope" only 2 weeks) and 6 weeks in Italy working
This does cover you for off piste and glacier skiing/walking etc, so I think it's OK. Also they will send a receipt and I can claim back the % that I am working in Italy from the ski school so it’s not too bad.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Wayne - if you've done your tech then you'll be fine with the skiing.
My "adventures" on the course are here.
My top tips:
- make sure you're fit - you'll see that I had real problems with the altitude
- buy an altimeter - it really helps with navigation - especially if you get a white-out
- know your transceiver inside out - you'll see why from the thread
- unless you were a scout then practise your map and compass stuff; practise it; and then practise it again
- buy the maps in advance - Swiss topo have a web site.
Zermatt is a lot of a sod for navigation because distant peaks can you're so high up that it becomes difficult to work out which distant peak is which. That everything is covered in snow (so you can't see some physical features) doesn't help.
Having said that, the pass rate is 90% as opposed to 50% for the tech.
Last edited by Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see? on Thu 30-10-08 14:24; edited 2 times in total
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PhillipStanton, I think you made a mistake with you URL above - it just takes me to the chat home page.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| snowball wrote: |
| PhillipStanton, I think you made a mistake with you URL above - it just takes me to the chat home page. |
Thanks for mentioning snowball.
It's a bit strange though as it seems to work ok for me.
It work for anyone else?
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Nope, takes me straight to the forum home page.
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| PhillipStanton wrote: |
Wayne - if you've done your tech then you'll be fine with the skiing.
Having said that, the pass rate is 90% as opposed to 50% for the tech. |
I know what you mean. On my tech 4 passed out of 8 - - - 1 just wasn't good enough (which is a shame as he is my mate and we have skied together for a few years now, we trained in Val for a few weeks before the tech and I think he knew he would have problems. The other failed (I think) as they couldn't do fall line in the bumps
The Off Piste looks really good fun though, so pass or fail I'm looking forward to it as an adventure.
I should be OK for the mapreading but for the other items I will read though your details to see if I can get any insight. There are a few of us going over early so we can have a few days in resort training before the start, to get rid of the cop webs
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| Nope, takes me straight to the forum home page. |
It works for me
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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Does someone want to try again, I've tweaked the link.
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Nope, still doesn't work for me.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| Nope, still doesn't work for me. |
Very frustrating - works for me on Firefox and Safari (I was guessing that snowball would be a Mac user...).
rob@rar - could you try setting up a link? - topic 38994
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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No, that doesn't work for me either 
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Works for me though (on Firefox, IE, Safari on Mac and Safari on PC). ARRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHH!
Ah well.
Search for "Zermatt" and author "PhillipStanton" - it gets you there quickly enough
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Poster: A snowHead
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Curious, that link works, to topic 38994, but that's an old thread on camcorders. Anyone know what's going on?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Takes me to something on camcorders...
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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PhillipStanton, there seems to be a difference if www is used in the URL. Links which omit it work for me, but links which include the www take me to the forum home page.
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