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My own ski's DIN setting have been adjusted specifically for me and my level of skiing as is the usual practice. However, can I or should I be using the same DIN setting when I hire ski's that I want to test etc?

I have the K2 Apache Recons as my own ski's but I am looking at renting some much fatter powder ski's this season to test but i obviously want the same safety margin regarding my bindings releasing or not releasing as the case may be.
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Yes, as long as the DIN setting that you're using now is correct for you.
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Spyderman, thanks.
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Hornster, It's worth checking the web for charts so that you can work out your own setting 'just in case'. That way you know for sure that your bindings have been set correctly. There are also quite a few on-line calculation tools.

A quick search brings up These:
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david@mediacopy, cheers for the data.
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Whenever I have hired skis in the past I have noticed my settings have been 6, using these charts it seems I should be at 8.
Should I go to 8, stay at 6, or compromise and go for 7?
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youspurs1, do your skis come off when you dont want them to on 6, if not then stick with 6.
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I've not had a problem, so I will do as you suggest,jbob, ta.
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Hornster, the higher up you go on DIN settings the more subjective they become IMO. for instance i am 6'4" my setting category for people my weight, sole lenght etc 5 11 to 6 4 is 8

if i decided i was a type 3+ skier (very aggressive) as opposed to 3 my setting goes 9.5
if i was 6'5" my DIN settings would go up 2 full marks to 11.5 which isnt very logical to me.

so anything over around 8 is pretty much down to the individual...
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the charts are there for a reason, assuming they are followed correctly if it says 8 on the chart then both heel and toe should be set at 8

DIN has lots of safety built in there are paramenters for variations in ability height weight etc etc, this all assumes that the bindings have been tested and their springs fall within the DIN parameters in the first place whcihmay or may nort be the case with older equipment

the whole does it release doesn't it release argument is a bit of a weird one....if a binding releases when you don't want it to you get a whole new category of injury...shoulders collar bone broken arms, if it doesnt release when it needs to ten the knees /lower extremity come in to play


so unless you are doing something specific stick to the chart
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The charts are fine up to the point when you have to answer the question, what sort of skier are you, then it all gets a bit Venus and Mars.
The girls tend to be over cautious and the boys will be boys.....
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I'm 6ft, weight 94kg and consider my skiing style as fairly aggresive and my DIN's are set at 8.5 which I have found to be working well. I have taken a fair few tumbles and my ski's have released when they needed to so in my books that is about rigjht for me even though according to the charts I should have my DIN's set at 7.0. However, I appreciate that that isn't taking into account the skiers skiing style and ability etc.
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are you sure? have you applied your skier type? i have similar stats to you and i come out at about 8.5
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Arno, you are right. I should be on 8.5 when I apply my skier type.
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How is weight measured? With ski-clothes? With boots? And should the DIN setting be adjusted if one is carrying a heavy rucksack?
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Hurtle, Weight without clothes. Don't change them if you are carrying more.
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Dr Mike Langran has come up with a injury prevention / self test for Alpine skiers which may be interesting - see:

http://www.ski-injury.com/prevention/st

the other option which may be interesting are the 'French' AFNOR Alpine binding settings, which have Male and Female charts and appear to be generally lower:

Female

Male

Apparently knee injuries have been reduced (see the 2nd half of the page):

http://www.ski-injury.com/research/lrn4
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david@mediacopy, good info but personally i hate the daily check binding check advice about twisting your knee out the bindings on lifting it out of the toe piece.

They dont even advise warming up and most people would naturally do it first thing in the morning with stiff joints and ice cold muscles. Might as well book your hospital room doing that one. I do notice they say not to be "too vigourous" as it can lead to msucle tears or ruptured tendons...
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skimottaret, Skullie

It's not something I personally do (or recommend) but some guys here may find it useful. I suspect that it's the sort of thing that needs introducing by someone who's been trained and can give the do's and dont's. I wondered if it has more application for 'low' binding settings than for 'high' ones. It is an interesting idea.

I think that binding settings are a big issue and that skiers are well advised to double check their own settings. I remember being on a particular 'training' course (no names) and one of the guys had a different setting front / back on each ski. I've also seen some shocking settings come out of hire shops who seem to set everyone to 7 or 8.
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david@mediacopy, fair enough, i sometimes demo this to beginner classes who are stuck waiting to get their skis and boots sorted by the rental guys. While they are waiting i will show a twisting release but with an empty boot in the binding Laughing

i have never quite understood why people have different fronts and back settings.
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skimottaret wrote:
i have never quite understood why people have different fronts and back settings.

My reasoning is as follows, whether or not it's technically correct. My legs (and I would guess those of quite a few others) are pretty resilient to fore/aft forces. I'm not nearly as sanguine about twisting. The toe-piece is designed for a sideways release, the heel for fore-aft release. Hence an argument for allowing a higher setting on the heel than the toe. I'm not really happy with much more than about 8.5 on my toe, but I've on more than one occasion jumped out of my heels on that setting, particularly on a high energy (kick-)start. So I have my slalom skis set at 8.5 on the toe and 10 on the heel. OK so it's a specialist application but it works for me. (I only have 9 on the heel of my off-piste skis, but I probably need to up that a bit).
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skimottaret wrote:
i have never quite understood why people have different fronts and back settings.


This guy had different left and right settings too.......
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david@mediacopy, that i am definately not too sure about.... rolling eyes

GrahamN, for slalom starts i can see your logic if the rear binding on your ski is designed soley for aft release. However, the Tyrolia bindings on my Fischer SL skis the heel binding has a rotary movement, so on these particular bindings i wouldnt contemplate different settings.

although you may think your legs are more resilient to fore aft i would suspect that slow speed phantom foot type injuries may do as much harm and be as prevelent as twisting non releases.
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skimottaret, good point about slow speed releases. Simple solution - don't ski slow! Wink

(Don't know what a "phantom foot" is as it's not in the glossary Wink )
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I'm with GrahamN on this one
I think you come to different heel and toe settings as a result of a fair amount of experience and it's a personal decision. I would be very surprised if a shop set this up for me though
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GrahamN, phamtom foot is the effective length of your foot when attached to the ski i.e. 160cm when on a 160cm ski, the torques across this will be relevent to either the forebody or the tail of the ski dependant on where the load is being applied from

clear as muddy water wink


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Interesting, I hadn't actually considered different settings on toe/heel. Embarassed I'm at 10, primarily to stop unwanted heel release, but I suppose I could probably wind the toe down a notch or so.
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My ski shop used the various charts to set my bindings at 5 for me, and I used this setting on both holidays - IIRC the skis came off when needed. If I go to a snowdome and hire skis should I ask them to set them at 5 for me or is it still best to weigh myself and let them use their charts to determine what to set them to?
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Megamum, unless you have gone up or down quite a bit since the holidays you will still be a 5... you can work out your settings here

http://www.dinsetting.com/
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Using the dinsetting calculator above indicates for me why you can't blingly follow a chart. I am five ten and a half, and could be a skier type 2 or 3. By choosing heights of up to 5ft 10, or 5ft 11 and over, and the different skier levels my DIN setting can be from 6 to 8.5. This is where personal judgement comes in, I am under 50, but not by much, so I err on the low side, and set them at 6.5. This works for me, but someone else could set them at 8.5 and still be "correct".
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RobinS, I know what you're saying. As CEM, says "As clear as muddy water"
I'm assuming that less damage can be done by having a too low setting, given that I'm never going to be going that fast, than a too high setting.
I reckon I'm a 2 on skier ability - based on the charts - and I should be on a setting of 8 given my weight/height, but I'll err on the side of caution and stick with 6...unless I find them popping off due to my lately increased confidence, in which case I'll get 'em dailled up a notch or two during the course of the week.
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I got with around what I am meant to be at 8.5, a lot of the time I would rather my skis did not come off than I pre released-a pre release could cause a fall which would not occur if your skis had stayed clipped.
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If I choose to be:
a type 2 skier I get a din of 7
a type 3 skier I get a din of 8.5

I have my own skis at 7.5 (and they have never pre relised or failed to come off when I wanted)

I rented skis at the EOSB in 2008 and asked for a din of 7.5. The ski tech would have put me on 6 and really needed bullying to put it up to 7.5
I rented skis at the EOSB in 2007 and asked for a din of 7. The ski tech would have put me on 8.5 and really needed bullying to put it down to 7

I'm a much better skier now than I was in 2007

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Oh and at xcrap I'm happy with a setting of 6 becuse you are never going to get up much speed so any fall is going to be low speed and you realy want the skis to come off then.
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I rented skis at the EoSB in 2008 and asked for a din of 7.5. The ski tech would have put me on 6 and really needed bullying to put it up to 7.5
I rented skis at the EoSB in 2007 and asked for a din of 7. The ski tech would have put me on 8.5 and really needed bullying to put it down to 7

I'm a much better skier now than I was in 2007


Did someone have the same boot sole length?
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50 what?

i'm 30ish
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II, new question.

67 Nm twist torque (i.e. same release) is DIN 8 for a 310mm boot and DIN 7 for a 312mm one.

Quoting DIN without BSL is like knowing vintage and not vineyard.
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Last year my local shop used a wall chart and said at my weight then I should have been a 6, but they would put it down to 5 due to my inexperience.

Now I am 20 Kilo lighter and a better skier than I was (though I still don't know if I am a type 1, 2 etc. skier).

skimottaret, Now I use the calculator and if I am a type 2 skier it puts me on a 6.5 if I am a type 1 it puts me at 5.5.

Currently the skis are set at 5 as they have been since the start of the year.

DIN settings more black art than science I think Laughing Laughing Laughing

If anyone fancies a go at guestimate-ing me a setting my boots are 305mm, I am just about 5'9", 40 yrs old and 87 Kilos Toofy Grin, in terms of ability confidence now in tact and having a bash at anything I think is within my ability which now includes some reds Very Happy
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II, new question.

67 Nm twist torque (i.e. same release) is DIN 8 for a 310mm boot and DIN 7 for a 312mm one.

Quoting DIN without BSL is like knowing vintage and not vineyard.


I'm

185cm tall
120kg (on a good day)
324 boot sole lenght

chart gives me:
6 as a beginer
7 as an intermediate
8.5 as an advanced
10 as an expert

My point is that:
in 2007 I was happier on blues than reds and had to argue to get my setting down to 7
in 2008 I was happy skiing fast down reds and blacks (as long as I get time to catch my breath) but I had to tell the ski tec that 7.5 was what I wanted not 6 rolling eyes
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So now you are perhaps a grouping lighter, if all else remained the same then it would be less, so quoted a 5.5, or if lowered by one point then 4.5 (less than before as you are lighter). Makes sense to me!
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