 Poster: A snowHead
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I sent an email off to Sean Langmuir about the new skis requirements and what type of skis they were thinking about, this was his reply....
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While it might make sense to have a race ski if one was continuing through the BASI system to train for the Speed Test, a more versatile ski (not a twin tip) would be better for the technical courses. It is intended to be flexible. Your choice.
Regards, Sean
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So its just as open as ever on what ski to go for, but personally im am goin for a freeride ski for the courses, and then when i go for the speed test, I will get some real skis! 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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freestyleandy, you're ISIA already right? Out of interest since you mention you going for the speed test later, have you got a race background or have you been training for a fair while knowing that you're going for it soonish?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Why not a twin tip?
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VolklAttivaS5, Yeah i got my full ISIA in april 2007. I reckon in 2009/2010 i'll be going for the speed test. I did quite a bit of racing up to about 17, both slalom and gs, but not much for the last ten years. Have done no training at all, and I am going to just go and do a speed test to see what its all about. If i pass, happy days, if i dont i will know how much time/training i need.
The_Hirsty, it is seen that twin tips aren't appropiate for performance skiing.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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That is very boo. They are great fun for fire the snow up at people behind you
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| freestyleandy wrote: |
| it is seen that twin tips aren't appropriate for performance skiing. |
Interesting. I thought it was about how you ski, not what you ski.
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. I thought it was about how you ski, not what you ski
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I think it is purley ski snobery! We have reached a new low.
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intersting how any time there is an industry test the trainers are all seen blasting around on twin tips having a great tiem...when it comes to work there is a macho attitude from some that the slalom ski is the only acceptable ski to ski on be it hard packed piste or 3 feet of fresh
i guess old atitudes die hard 
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BASI (like all ski instructor systems) is 90% about piste performance, racing and moguls.
If you really want to rock the boat then try rocking up on some stiff wide powder ski's 
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I'd have thought that it isn't that twins aren't performance skis (and there are plenty out there that could kick the ass of many "piste" skis) but more that the twin kicks up rooster which makes it difficult for trainers and examiners to see exactly what is going on. Doesn't stop a number of instructors I've seen instructing on PEs etc.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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When I did my Instructor course 5 years ago my trainer used twin tips.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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fatbob, I think you are right. I heard also that the use of twin tips are not normally allowed for courses because 1)as you say the rooster makes it hard to see what's going on with the skis and 2) (don't know if this is right mind) that twin tips are more forgiving so some things can be done more easily on a twin tip than a traditionally shaped ski, so they say no twin tips so that everyone has to be the same skill level on traditionally shaped skis for assessment purposes. This however might be wrong, I don't know.
It is ok for the Trainers to have twin tips in my book because they're assessing you not the other way round, so it wouldn't bother me if my Trainer was wearing twin tips.
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i wonder what is BASI's position on kick tails and semi-twins
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You know it makes sense.
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VolklAttivaS5, trainer's are also meant to demonstrate, same as any other instructor. I think they should follow the same rules and practice what they preach.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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> that the slalom ski is the only acceptable ski
Maybe times are changing.
The latest BASI course book states that for 'technical courses' you are required to use a ski with turn radius >15m ?
Would be interesting to hear the motive's behind this ?
However I suspect alot of people were turning up to be examined on stupidly short (g@y) super side cut carvers ?
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Poster: A snowHead
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Haggis_Trap, safety reasons, too many ACL injuries caused by catching an edge on short carving skis at speed.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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beanie1, as I said in different words elsewhere, if you're not good enough to ski on SL skis at speed why are you doing your ISIA 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| David Murdoch wrote: |
| beanie1, as I said in different words elsewhere, if you're not good enough to ski on SL skis at speed why are you doing your ISIA |
I agree. It seems an odd rule from BASI.
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David Murdoch, I totally agree with you, which is why I'm not too happy abuot the new rules!! That's just the reason BASI give. I've been looking at alternative skis and I don't think I'd be as happy "all round" on any of them as I am on my SL skis.
I am open to suggestions, must meet the following requirements:
- >15m radius
- Rock solid in high speed long turns
- Nippy in short turns
- Plenty of rebound
- Manouverable in bumps
- Good in variables
You see for me my SL skis ticks all these boxes apart from the radius. If anyone can suggest an alternative that also meets the radius requirements, and is available on the BASI offer, please let me know!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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beanie1, Yep, those boxes is meant for SL race skis. And they're ideal in powder too...(mine are anyway). I'm afraid that I can't recommend anything as 1. I don't keep up with the marketing puff and 2. I have no idea what's on the BASI list.
Is it a hard and fast "we'll fail" you rule? Or a recommendation?
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