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| DB wrote: |
I can see the point if ......
1) Ski Touring.
2) Skiing hard from lift start to lift stop and not wanting to carry multiple bottles around or waist ski time in restaurant queues.
3) A recreational skier who doesn't ski hard but gets slaughtered every night on the beer and would benefit from many litres of water to fight against dehydration. |
Good sumation, most anything else is up there with once a week joggers running around a lake on a Sunday morning with a litre of water in their hands. Pointless, may look good but better try and exercise and produce some sweat first before you add more water to your body...end of rant...
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I couldn't ski without my camelbak. (it's actually dakine bt whatever...)
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| thefatcontroller wrote: |
| DB wrote: |
I can see the point if ......
1) Ski Touring.
2) Skiing hard from lift start to lift stop and not wanting to carry multiple bottles around or waist ski time in restaurant queues.
3) A recreational skier who doesn't ski hard but gets slaughtered every night on the beer and would benefit from many litres of water to fight against dehydration. |
Good sumation, most anything else is up there with once a week joggers running around a lake on a Sunday morning with a litre of water in their hands. Pointless, may look good but better try and exercise and produce some sweat first before you add more water to your body...end of rant... |
Just learn that we are not all the same.
Just because you and Db don't need all that much water does not mean tat anybody who does is "pointless".
Nobody is asking you to use them.
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| produce some sweat first before you add more water to your body...end of rant... |
 I start producing sweat as soon as I put my boots on, after an hours skiing on Tuesday I was drenched in sweat and desperatly in need of a drink. 
I was as fit as my medical condition would allow me to be, which wasn't super fit or even 3/4 way fit, but still a lot fitter than I was on my previous trip. The problem with Asthma is, to everyone else, you look just fine, but not being able to breath properly, especially when the air is thinner, makes this breathing lark just a tad difficult at times.
I found my holiday more enjoyable, knowing I had the back up of a drink on hand, I didn't feel a numpty and don't really care what other people thought, my health is far too important for that.
It is good everyone has their own opinion, but those who ridicule the idea should realise that there may be good reasons for people having them, there also maybe no reason at all and people have them cos they look good, my "friend" told me, if I was trying to make myself look a pro, I had failed, but she is just narrow minded and looks no further than the obvious fact. 
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| ......... Do they work any better than water bottles other than the fact that they get mouldy and can give you an excuse to get off work when you feel unwell? |
Suspect they do work better than a normal water bottle as it's easier to replace the water at a similar rate to which you lose it. I generaly carry a camel bak all the time even on the rare ocassion that I'm just pottering around the pistes. Don't see much point in packing a camel bak and water bottles for a trip. Small but frequent sips of water seem to reduce the need for me to produce yellow snow, whereas the same quantity drunk less frequently from water bottles tends to have me running round like a great dane marking his patch. From water bottles you tend to drink when you are thirsty (which is a sign of dehydration) whereas with a camel bak frequent small sips can mean you don't feel thirsty.
It's not just replacing water that is important though (e.g. sodium).
http://www.cptips.com/water.htm
alex_heney,
Bet there are more underhydrated than overhydratd Brits on ski holidays. Please don't miss understand me, I'd imagine a large percentage of Brits fall into one of the three categories I mentioned and so are a good idea / serve a point.
Last edited by Then you can post your own questions or snow reports... on Sat 26-04-08 8:55; edited 1 time in total
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DB, Overhydration...Watching people vomit liquid in running races is very unpleasant.
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| thefatcontroller wrote: |
| DB, Overhydration...Watching people vomit liquid in running races is very unpleasant. |
Well don't watch them then. 
During running the contents of the stomach get thrown around as if they are in a washing machine. When people overtrain the stomach can also decide to shed it's contents, likewise if the stomach is totally empty and the runner justs drinks large amounts of water. I doubt it's down to the water alone. Just done an internet search on overhydration and many sources are saying that 2 gallons (over 7.5 litres) of water would be required to overhydrate. Expect exercise (skiing) and apres ski wine/beer drinking would increase the amount required.
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DB, Its hard to ignore somone beside you or in front of you.  Definitely the washing machine effect when running causes it, also people will try and take on liquids, like lucozade sport, in a race that they don't take while training. Upset stomach, very messy.
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thefatcontroller,
You mention evidence and stats earlier on... I keep hearing/being told that everyone should drink about 1.5L of water a day...on a normal day...So while exercising I'd imagine you may need more...
You should drink that slowly but surely during the day..You and others have decided that you do not need that daily water intake...fair enough...
But, if someone decided to follow this "scientific" advice ( I am not debating the validity of that advice here..) then carrying a camelback when skiing/hiking makes a lot of practical sense as it is easier to carry and drink from than an equivalent capacity bottle.
I am talking about long activities here, so I am with you on the 2/3 miles jogger carrying a bottle...I think carrying the bottle is more hassle than is worth for a 30 min. jog.
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Kruisler, All the 8 galsses of water a day stuff got debunked some time ago.
Bottom line is, if you're thirsty drink, if you're not don't worry.
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You know it makes sense.
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rich,
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All the 8 galsses of water a day stuff got debunked some time ago
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debunked by who?
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pippivixen, I was hoping you'd say that. I have a slimline backpack which has a hydration pack compatible zip pocket so I've been looking for a hydration bladder.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Lou, This is from memory but it as I understand it was all based on a piece of American research done way back. The original published data spoke of total water intake which included all the water taken in food as well as drunk. A large proportion of everything we put in our mouths is water. Unfortunately the world at large grabbed hold of the total volume of water and ignored its source. The error's been perpetuated ever since.
Your body is very good at telling you what it needs.
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rich, you're right, it was based on WWII medical advice on how much fluid (not pure water) we need each day.
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'TAP', hehe.
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| rich wrote: |
Kruisler, All the 8 galsses of water a day stuff got debunked some time ago.
Bottom line is, if you're thirsty drink, if you're not don't worry. |
Agreed, listen to your body not scientists who are most likely funded by Perrier, Evian etc...
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thefatcontroller, indeed. And typical of the NHS to be perpetuating myths.
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| PJSki wrote: |
| And typical of the NHS to be perpetuating myths. |
Don't know about that, just saying listen to your body.
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| thefatcontroller wrote: |
| PJSki wrote: |
| And typical of the NHS to be perpetuating myths. |
Don't know about that, just saying listen to your body. |
Yes and no...I am never thirsty..or rarely..so don't drink much(to my wife's desair..)
Next thing i know I have back spasms linked to dehydration....
so prevention can be a good thing...
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Kruisler, it's certainly true that dehydration can creep up on you. In that sense the packs are very good, in that they allow you to drink a little and often.
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pippivixen, I;ve tried to clean mine a couple of times but stiil no success. What is the sterilizing fluid called.
I fill mine to provide a drink on the plane and keep it by the side of the bed at night. Hardly use it in the rucksack any more!
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You know it makes sense.
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| A teaspoon of bicarbonate of soda in with the water dampens it down a treat. It also has to added benifit of cleaning the inside when we - inevitably - leave the water in for a couple of days. |
It will also help with the symptoms of cystitis, should you happen to be suffering from it.... 
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Jumping Jack Flash, I use Tesco baby sterilising fluid, it costs something ridiculous like 30p for a 500ml bottle, I just mix some up with water, fill the bag and leave it for an hour or so, then remove the drinking nozzle and suck the fluid through (not right through into your mouth though  ) then suspending the bag high, the fluid runs straight through it, I then rinse it out with water and leave to dry.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| alex_heney wrote: |
| Fluid intake is nothing to do with calories. |
What total rubbish. Are you saying lager, coke, lucozade sport are calorie free?
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| alex_heney wrote: |
| Fluid intake is nothing to do with calories. |
What total rubbish. Are you saying lager, coke, lucozade sport are calorie free? |
Of course I'm not.
But whether you drink "sport" drinks or pure water is a completely separate debate to that about whether hydration bladders are a good thing on the slopes.
Fluid intake has nothing to do with claories.
What type of fluid you take in does, of course.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| alex_heney wrote: |
| thefatcontroller wrote: |
| alex_heney wrote: |
| Fluid intake is nothing to do with calories. |
What total rubbish. Are you saying lager, coke, lucozade sport are calorie free? |
Of course I'm not.
But whether you drink "sport" drinks or pure water is a completely separate debate to that about whether hydration bladders are a good thing on the slopes.
Fluid intake has nothing to do with claories.
What type of fluid you take in does, of course. |
So you were wrong in what you posted. I accept your apology
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Carrying your own water is cheaper than buying a bottle on the hill and means you can drink whenever you are thirsty rather than taking a break when you might well want to carry on skiing. I find a bladder more comfortable to carry than a water bottle (which can jam into your back when riding chairlifts) and significantly more convenient than having to remove my pack, undo the flap and rummage around until I find the bottle. The time when I'm most likely to want a drink, on chairlifts, is the time when I have no access to a water bottle. Can't see what the problem is with using some sort of Camelbak solution, other than the "reverse snobbery" of not wanting to look too 'hardcore'.
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| thefatcontroller wrote: |
| alex_heney wrote: |
| thefatcontroller wrote: |
| alex_heney wrote: |
| Fluid intake is nothing to do with calories. |
What total rubbish. Are you saying lager, coke, lucozade sport are calorie free? |
Of course I'm not.
But whether you drink "sport" drinks or pure water is a completely separate debate to that about whether hydration bladders are a good thing on the slopes.
Fluid intake has nothing to do with claories.
What type of fluid you take in does, of course. |
So you were wrong in what you posted. I accept your apology |
Which, of course, idid not exist (regardless of your smiley).
Because, of course, I was NOT wrong.
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| alex_heney wrote: |
| Because, of course, I was NOT wrong. |
Yeah right, whatever, Coke is calorie free according to alex_heney
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