 Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Scarpa, did you shoot that? Sorta sums it up. I remember a lot of bods at the lip - but not such a collection at the side 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Scarpa, thank you for bringing me such happy memories. I can remember looking down on a similar number of people and thinking, "where am I going to turn, there's nowhere that's clear enough of people to do so." Every mogul was occupied and so were the piste edges. Nightmare.
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It's an old one, not shot my myself - I was looking at something else and noticed a link to it. Although, I have got down a few steep mogul fields by utilising the same lack of techniques... we all get a little adventurous when we are learning at times 
Last edited by You need to Login to know who's really who. on Mon 25-02-08 1:24; edited 1 time in total
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Scarpa, yeah we all have. I would actually have preferred to use such techniques, rather than the one unintentionally adopted, which was to somersault down the whole slope, strewing bits of equipment all over it as I went. The miracle was that I didn't wipe out a single person on the way down, God knows how I missed them all.
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Hurtle, You see... I have sooooo much more style. I tend to come down like a swimmer down a waterslide, only on my back and head first, flowing over every damn bump like a demented lubed up slinky toy 
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Scarpa, bloody hell. I'm glad you (and I) survived to tell the tale.
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At least it appears to have snow to turn on for once, I've gone down when its ben icy, I might as well have been jumping out of first floor windows toget the same grief in my knees and legs 
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It flashed up "Amateurs stay away" so why didn't they. Not one person actually skied it, it was just a load of council workers, scraping the snow off.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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So you DO know how it feels for me when I find something too steep - even if it would be trivial to you!
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Butterfly, I think everybody knows how it feels when they're on a slope steeper than they're comfortable with. Things start twitching.
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Spyderman, yup
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Spyderman wrote: |
| It flashed up "Amateurs stay away" so why didn't they. Not one person actually skied it, it was just a load of council workers, scraping the snow off. |
The problem is that by the time you realise you are way out of your depth, you have just gone 200m down a flat tunnel and there isn't really room to reverse the route (plus, imagine the ignominy!). Thing is, you can make about 2 turns then traverse skiers' right and get a nice smooth bit of off-piste. It really is amazing how few people take this option (but good or else it would be mogulled too)! You have people flailing around on big icey moguls with nice snow barely 10m away
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Poster: A snowHead
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Arno, I wionder how many skiers are sucked into the tunnel because they have done Sarrene and therefore think they can do ADH blacks? The two runs are very different beasts.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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achilles, indeed - but you can see the tunnel very easily from the cable car so it shouldn't be that much of a surprise to find it is a steep mogul field
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Arno, I agree - but I must admit the first time I did the Tunnel in good light (I had done it many years ago in very flat light and deep soft snow) I was a bit surprised by the exposure and ferocity of it. Fortunately, I had had a dose of easiski recently, and summoning up everything I could remember saw me through 
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Pussys
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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achilles, I couldn't work out why Sarenne was black. The conditions weren't particularly tasty when I did it - quite a bit of ice and some rocks and earth poking through in places - but there was nothing either very steep or very narrow. Did I sleep-ski some of it, or what? 
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Hurtle, doubt it. There's a bit of a steep pitch at the top - but the face is wide open. No comparison in difficulty with the Tunnel.
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There is a handy rope at the side of the tunnel to help with the long walk of shame back up to the start.
The only way to start the tunnel is with a jump into the middle of the mogul field. 
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I wonder how many of those went home and boasted that they skied it.
Kudos to the cretin at 2.35, stopped in the middle to film back up the run.
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It is a bit of a Fitzwilliam of a run- even I sideslipped before the first 2 turns! If you keep the altitude up and traverse left off the run you can do a far less mogulled alternative known as the Breche. Not too be done in poor visibility though! It has a solitary arrow marking the start and the next marker was well over the crest of the next ridge, kept on following the tracks and hoped I wasn't going to end up sailing over a cliff!
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Straight line the bug!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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how does this run compare with the "swiss wall" in avoriaz over to switzerland ?
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Just wanted to resurrect this thread. Largely because I have now been there, and done that. With almost no style whatsoever, and requiring at least one little chat with myself and some amusing shouting to keep myself going at various points. If I had known what was at the other end of that tunnel I think I might have just gone to the bar.
Interesting that all points to get down from the ledge were more than 3 feet drop, and almost vertical. We actually had to sit on the ledge and even then "drop in" a bit to get onto the first row of moguls.
In answer to the above, the swiss wall is a much easier start, having seen the swiss wall and done the Tunnel, I know which I'd happily go back and do. And it's not the Tunnel.
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You know it makes sense.
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Monium, congratulations! I'm definitely not going back there again (and have never done the Swiss Wall).
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Monium wrote: |
| .....Interesting that all points to get down from the ledge were more than 3 feet drop, and almost vertical. We actually had to sit on the ledge and even then "drop in" a bit to get onto the first row of moguls..... |
That's different from when I was there about 3 years ago. Then the entrance was more or less as shown in the video. The direct fall- line entry was a snowboard-wide trench. Skiers were taking a very icy traverse at the end of which there was a challenging left turn. Fortunately, I had recently completed an easiski session, so I was then up for it. Didn't enjoy it much, but did it several times since I was skiing with Flyer, who thought it was fun  . Maybe the difference in entry conditions between then and now is due to less snowfall this season.
I've lost some confidence lately, so I wouldn't be keen to do it at all, now. It's the toughest piste (including Val D'Isere's Face) that I have skied.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Aha. This is what faced me at 10am on the first morning of my fourth week's skiing. Quite some time later I learned that the rest of the party hadn't actually disappeared ahead of me, but had gone a different way. That's me on the left of the video, I'm sure...
What really impressed me was they were pisting the top of it. (Four pisteurs with pick axes and shovels, demolishing the biggest moguls.)
It was the most enormous confidence builder when I reached the bottom as I knew that I could get down anything (even if I was being a Council Worker!).
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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achilles, completely agree about the Face. This is about 30% harder than that IMO, even with severe ice on the Face.
The entry was the hardest part by a distance. They had a lot of snow in the couple of days before we did it, but the lip on the top (where skiers shown in the video waiting) was the width of about 3 skis edge to edge, and there was no real entry point - everyone was kind of slipping off the ledge sideways and trying not to fall on the first shelf. This seemed to create a number of issues, because as they left the ledge they'd scrape another few cm of snow off the edge, making the ledge smaller and smaller. Right in front of us a previously passable section to the far right of the piste just disappeared under a skiier, leaving everyone with the same vertical drop to get in.
Still glad I did it, but won't be doing it again in a hurry. I think I'd have been a bit happier in my own skis, but on rentals and with very tired thighs and knees from two days of hard skiing and drinking, it was a bit more than I was really ready for.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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There are bits of the Sarenne which would be very challenging for a red run, and if some unsuspecting skier saw it as red they could well struggle. Length is nothing to do with it (although ADH make the most of it being the longest black in Europe, when much of it is green!), but the hardest part is. I made a pigs breakfast of the Tunnel this year, but did it better years ago when I wasn't as good as I am now - that's life. I do think it would be useful for resorts to grade their blacks - I know it depends on snow conditions, but the Sarenne is never going to compare with the Tunnel.
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Sorry, but I would have been the chap with the small willy walking back through the tunnel
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welshskier, we found a really useful guide was the Mad Dog series, they have a short summary of the reds and blacks in the resorts they cover, giving them a 1 star to 3 star rating. Gave us a good guide to what was going to be achievable for some of our group on previous trips, and you knew if it was a 3 star black that doing it at 4pm after a big lunch was no tlikely to be a good idea. Also had good time of the day to do it, and why it was a black (icy, steep, narrow, unpisted etc) Unfortunately I didn't get the book for LDA, and fell for "it's not that steep, kind of cruisey blue but with a bit of a steep bit" BS from the lads 
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Opinions welcomed on how The Tunnel compares to Hari Kiri in Austria? Steeper run, but harder?
Anyone prepared to put forward a more difficult run in Europe that I need to council worker my way down?
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| Monium wrote: |
Opinions welcomed on how The Tunnel compares to Hari Kiri in Austria? Steeper run, but harder?
Anyone prepared to put forward a more difficult run in Europe that I need to council worker my way down? |
Harakiri isn't that difficult: it is steep, but prepared daily. Tunnel is far more difficult, actually in another league.
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Monium, thanks very much - good info.
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FAQ
Going back through the tunnel was not an option 
