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| carled wrote: |
He didn't deny it was accurate...  |
He probably only replied to your question, "did you write it?" - answer "no", but these guys might have.
Ask him if it's accurate, and he'll need to see all the facts, then compare it to his!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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BTW the owner of the weather channel in the US does not believe in global warming, he makes some of the right wing nutters over here look sane, he thinks the whole global warming thing is a conspiracy theory
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Just emailled NASA and the Daily Express. Can't wait to see who gets back first!
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I've emailed NASA now to ask the same question. If a black van suddenly shows up here and I get taken away, remember me...
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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carled, I love it when a plan comes together.
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Tim Sawyer, shut up fool
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CANV CANVINGTON, "I ain't getting in no plane..." cos it just makes global warming worse.
Shall we stop now?
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Question: If ice is three times the volume of water, and 7/10 of an iceberg is under water, then if the ice caps melt, shouldn't the the volume should go DOWN? 
(Answers in 12 words or less please.)
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mdemon2, there's a difference between melting sea ice and melting land-based ice-sheets such as those found on Greenland and on the Antarctic. Melting ice-sheets leads to sea-level rise, melting sea ice doesn't. A lump of sea-ice displaces a volume of water equal to it's mass, when it melts it will fill that volume exactly, so no net change in sea level.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Oh god.. I think the glove technique thread needs some revisiting. If the day after tomorrow syndrome does kick in I'm sure going to need some practise with that 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| Ordhan wrote: |
| worry about see ice why bother |
There is a reason to worry, or at least to consider it. That's because ice reflects the sun's rays into space, whereas open ocean absorbs most of the energy falling upon it, warming itself and the atmosphere. So, warming by whatever cause is amplified by the process of sea-ice melting.
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You know it makes sense.
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laundryman, But (forgive me for being denser than ice  ) didn't the OP state that sea ice had in fact returned to it's previous level?, and haven't a number of posts stated that over the globe as a whole ice has not in fact declined?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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AxsMan, maybe - I'm merely pointing out that that the amount of ice on the sea is a cause of the climate as well as an effect.
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Poster: A snowHead
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laundryman, understood, effectively the quantity of Sea ice 'amplifies' any effect of warming or cooling through positive feedback. In which case, if the OP etc are correct, then the presence of greater quantities of sea ice indicates that cooling is taking place and does itself lead to even greater cooling. Maybe we should be worrying about the next ice age (again) 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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AxsMan, the world is actually a hell of a lot colder than it was this time last year. But don't ask me where it'll be at this time next year!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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AxsMan, the amount of ice in the Arctic hit a record low (compared to previous years minima) over the summer. We're now in the winter and the amount of ice is still relatively low compared to the same point over the last 30 years but obviously much higher than it was at the summer minimum. The interesting question is whether this summer we'll see a minimum which beats last year's summer minima, which some people say is likely because a significant "tipping point" has been passed, or whether we'll just see a relatively low ice extent (compared to the last 30 years) but not as low as last year. There is some betting on this, and the people I trust more on this issue are in the latter camp.
(I found the Cryosphere Today website quite handy for ice extent measures: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/ )
IPCC 4th Annual report suggests that the total amount of ice in the world is decreasing (See Chapter 4: http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Report/AR4WG1_Print_Ch04.pdf - watch out it's a 9MB PDF!)
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The "official" Met Office global temperature data for January has just been published. According to their figures, January was the coldest month globally for 14 years (since February 1994).
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/
BTW, the graphs on that page may well overstate the cooling trend, since the last bar represents one month only and not a whole year.
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Turns out that the Daily Express can't confirm their source, and NASA haven't replied.
So, is that proof that the report is correct or not?
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The key thing about Global Warming is:
It is (or is not) GLOBAL.
Studies recently indicate that GLOBALLY the planet is cooler in the last few years.
What we may be experiencing is not Global Warming, but Regional (or perhaps Hemispherical) Warming.
We can't say...it hasn't snowedin Europe for a couple of weeks = Global Warming, when it has been snowing in Athens, Israel, Saudi Arabia (!) etc.
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| rungsp wrote: |
| We can't say...it hasn't snowedin Europe ... when it has been snowing in Athens |
That's certainly true. 
...and I agree with the rest too!
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Sould I have put Northern and / or western Europe
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It annoyed me a lot last year when news reports were getting climate change (to whatever extent it is happening) mixed up with weather, and basically blaming lean snowfalls on global warming.
When we get cold temps and lots of snow, it never gets reported as global cooling, but I guess that's because global warming is the current media darling and sells newspapers...
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We can't say...it hasn't snowedin Europe for a couple of weeks = Global Warming, when it has been snowing in Athens, Israel, Saudi Arabia (!) etc.
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Hear Hear!!!
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