 Poster: A snowHead
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Finally been persuaded to change my old school Salomon Equipes for a pair of Apache Recons
Please, advice is now needed on how I change my ski technique to suit the carving ski.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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ntfarmer, it was (still is, in fact) a fairly painful process for me. Lessons made it happen for me, so maybe get a couple of private sessions to look at your technique and make sure you're using the new kit to its best advantage?
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rob@rar,
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(still is, in fact) a fairly painful process for me
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oh bloody hell, if it is for you, what hope for the likes of me? Gloom. 
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Point Arss to Mountain and Head to valley apply pressure to relevant ski and let gravity do the rest  Funny had an race trainer last year who punished us for 3 days and we went on a cruise of the resort for a day and he was doing it on New Saloman Aero's (top carvers) But was doing it old skool so dont think you need to panic just yet
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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rob@rar,
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(still is, in fact) a fairly painful process for me
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oh bloody hell, if it is for you, what hope for the likes of me? Gloom. |
I have many bad habits ingrained after too many years of skiing like this. I returned to ski school after a break of about 10 years without any instruction and it felt like starting again. But the effort is worthwhile. Not only do I ski better, but I enjoy it more.
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rob@rar, yeah, me too, except that I maybe had just a smidgeon of daylight between my skis in the old days! 
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rob@rar, Lovely suit and red sunglasses 
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ntfarmer, Feet Apart. Tilt both skis over using ankles, knees. Let ski run along length. Job done.
Recons aren't too difficult to ski on (new or old skool). The key things (for an old skooler) seem to be feet apart - using both feet, and sloooooow down the start of the turn
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rob@rar, 
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ntfarmer, The most useful bit of advice I got ( I think from GrahamN ) was to widen my stance. At first I had to physically push my knees apart and it felt really strange but soon got used to it.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| ski wrote: |
| and sloooooow down the start of the turn |
That's the key for me. Don't snatch at the turn, just let the ski do its stuff.
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| ntfarmer, The most useful bit of advice I got ( I think from GrahamN ) was to widen my stance. At first I had to physically push my knees apart and it felt really strange but soon got used to it. |
A good exercise for that is to wrap a short bungie cord around your thighs so that it falls down if your legs get too close together.
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You know it makes sense.
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what i dont know is do you deweight the skis or not as with old shchool you would move weight down the edge as you go through the turn from tip to tail or with carvers do you keep weight over bindings,
secondly if you are only doing small changes in direction under the turn radius of the ski are you reliant on the tip and tail becouse today on hard pack and ice i seemed to loose the edge a lot quicker than i do with old skis.
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Poster: A snowHead
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ntfarmer, You don't need to unweight them. You can let the pressure move backward through the turn - but (hopefully) you skis are a little shorter, so not so much chance to do this. More important is to re-centre your hips over the skis (i.e. a move forward along the length of the ski) in preparation for the new turn.
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secondly if you are only doing small changes in direction under the turn radius of the ski are you reliant on the tip and tail becouse today on hard pack and ice i seemed to loose the edge a lot quicker than i do with old skis.
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Hmm - I think you may be asking a bit much of the ski at the start of the turn. Slow what you are doing down, and make sure the first movements are to get the ski on a edge rather than to rotate it anywhere.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Thanks for the above.
One question i forgot to ask was weight distrubution in the turn on each ski. Do you try to put even weight on both or are you still favering the downhill ski.
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| ickabodblue wrote: |
| ntfarmer, The most useful bit of advice I got ( I think from GrahamN ) was to widen my stance. At first I had to physically push my knees apart and it felt really strange but soon got used to it. |
That is very intresting as when letting the skis run i did still revert back to skis as close as boots would allow.
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ntfarmer, Still favour the outside ski. Helps to have enough pressure on the inside one to have it work for you tho...
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At first I had to physically push my knees apart
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a tip that worked for me was to imagine a football between your thighs.  As it's an imaginary football it doesn't trip you up as effectively as knicker elastic round your ankles though.
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OK so who ever did ski with their feet together?
This was filmed in 1989, so please excuse any slight A framing Old style straight (and pretty crap!) Atomic skis, rear entry boots. No problem.
Ho hum.....
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Yoda, ahead of his time was Ali. Saw him in Tignes earlier in the season - he looks younger now than he did in that video!
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OK so who ever did ski with their feet together?
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From day one of learning back in the did and distant past thats what we all strived for.
Coinsendantly i still think it looks better. But then again i still ski in match sticks.
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| rob@rar, Lovely suit and red sunglasses |
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rob@rar You are Sir Elton John, and I claim my £5
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ntfarmer, If you're talking about going from the old long planks to modern carving skis I can report that my Swiss friends have just done this - they said there was nothing to it and by about the 3rd turn they couldn't tell that they hadn't been on them all their lives.
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You know it makes sense.
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rob@rar, AKA Reg Dwight from Pinner 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I'm sure I had more hair than Reg.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Yoda, I skied with Ali in January and he didn't like my Vokl 724s and sold me his Salomon X-Wing Tornados! I didn't think anyone would be able to do much with my skiing but Ali did! Still a great teacher.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Just an update on the move to carvers.
The second day started with the hire of a slitght longer Apache Recons.
You can ignore the comments about holding the edge on hard and icey slope. It was my tecq. not the skis.
I have to admitt that they were a joy to ski on olthrough it did take a little getting used to the inhearent insterbility of the skis.
What did surprise me the most was the weight of the skis themselves. I also took advantage of a dynostar (sorry for spelling)ski test and was given a pair of "speed" skis, They said they were a 80% piste ski.
hopefully going out again later on. Any surgestion of other skis to try as as stated above little knowage of carveing skis. I like all sorts of sking from piste, mogals to off piste.
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ntfarmer,
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used to the inhearent insterbility of the skis
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Apache Recons  Tell us what you mean.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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ski, As ntfarmer is probably out feeding the cows, I'm sure he won't mind me answering. He was told that the 'science' behind the Carving parabolic ski is that they are inherently unstable and thus always wanting to turn.
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ntfarmer,
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hopefully going out again later on
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boredsurfin, OK thx. Might have some tips for that.
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ntfarmer,
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used to the inhearent insterbility of the skis
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Apache Recons Tell us what you mean. |
What i ment was as i put the skis straight with the require distance apart (CEM req.) they seem to chatter as i asume they are trying to get on to the edge. This may be just my weight distrubution is not quite right or more time required on this type of ski to learn to control them correctly.
But at the end of the day i did enjoy them esp. on the steeper and icey slopes. Hence the request ref other skis to try.
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ntfarmer, Ahhh.. that would be the tips of the ski chattering ? Weight distibution is probably the issue - you need to get more presure on the front of the ski (flex ankles a bit more and move your hips forward). As the tip of the ski is (much) wider that older straight skis, they are a bit more senistive to lumps and bumps when going straight, but 99% of the time it's just a case of pressure on the shovel of the ski. The other thing to do is not to go straight - continuously linked turns are the way to go
As far as other skis go...if the snow is soft try a fatter ski (Apache Outlaw, Comba), if the snow is harder try a narrower, shorter, ski, but Recons make a great 'do everything' ski IMV.
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