 Poster: A snowHead
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During a 2 week trip last season in spring corn i didn't fall for about 10 days and was beginning to get a bit hung up on "it'll hurt when I fall" so was quite glad when I had a major nose dive.
Anyone who has skied with me this season can vouch I've had may fairshare of layovers 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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So what is next? No broken bone then no real skiing?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Kramer,
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I'm doing more and more each time I go skiing, it's just that I'm not falling any more, and I'm unsure whether that's a good or a bad thing.
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Blimey, and I thought I was a worrier! IMV it's enough that you're doing more and more. Since you're so self-motivated and obviously such a high achiever, that means that you're not kidding yourself - you really are doing more and more. That's enough, don't flagellate yourself, or indeed risk unnecessary injury, which might compromise all the rest of the many things you seem to be good at. Falling is, after all, not an end in itself, at least I don't think it is. [/homily from Auntie Hurtle]
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| Kramer wrote: |
| red 27, it's not really a rut or a plateau, I'm doing more and more each time I go skiing, it's just that I'm not falling any more, and I'm unsure whether that's a good or a bad thing. |
Maybe both?
Not falling over means your body is in good condition both to avoid the fall and from NOT having to recover from any real injuries. A good thing.
It may also means you could probably do MORE than what you're doing right now. (you're doing more and more but there's even more to do, right?) Not quite so good a thing.
So, it's really your comfort level on the ratio of improvement vs. falls. If you're happy with that ratio, you really don't need to push yourself any more than you already do...
I found working with good instructor, or jsut following good skiers, I make good improvement with relatively few falls. But when I'm pushed into terrain over my head without knowing how to do it properly, I fall lots with relatively little improvement.
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MMmmmhhh this season ... One getting in the back seat on a blue to look at the scenery/wait for the wife ... on me bum in view of the end of the piste ....; another on - a - shallow red ( showing off what I call carving, but really 'playing' for extreme edge angles) just pushed too far over ....; with my missus last weekend 'accidentally off-piste' by a few yards ... dreaded green snow, STOP and covered in mud; Saturday on a 'newish' black that the sun had got at and was mush .. bailed-out 'up hill' to miss a skier who got into trouble and I totally lost it in the mush ... 30 meteres downhill facing wrong way .... loads of mush but no issue.
So 4/5 iirc ( and many, many more wobbles! )
But none of them ( apart from possibly the last) when I was pushing my personal 'envelope', just bad skiing/technique/attention. Just must ski better.
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My high speed wipe out in Tignes in October is still reminding me that I am not mended yet. My left thigh still has a different profile to the right one due to the residual haematoma and my shoulder makes the most amazing clicking, graunching noises. I still have difficulty getting my coat on sometimes because of it. Still, can't wait to go away at Easter!
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Kramer,
It's the calm before the storm.
(Mountainbike season will be here soon)
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I can't remember when i last fell on piste (except the time another skier hit me) but I don't see how you can avoid falling occasionally off piste if you are going at speed or tackling difficult snow and tricky steeps. The last time on the last day of last holiday I hit an unseen double bump at speed in heavy snow and both skis came off at the second impact. The time before I was skiing fast down a gully and a hidden rock caught one of my skis and spun me round. And try skiing heavy slush under a breakable crust that you only break through on half your turns (was probably a hard crust with spring snow an hour before)!!!
I reckon I fall about 4 times a week, of which one or two are partly caused by skis coming off which I might have stayed upright on otherwise.
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well you were asking about skiing gates, add those into the mix and I'm sure your quota of spills will increase
cheers,
Greg
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I don't fall over very often, but last year in three separate incidents I broke a rib, damaged my thumb, and smashed my nose (as a few witnesses can testify!). I'm not really sure why I kept crashing - maybe I was getting cocky.
I don't advocate falling over too much Kramer - it hurts.
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when i started if i wasnt falling once a run i felt like i wasnt trying hard enough. last few years not too many falls but this season loads. sadly mainly down to being frightened in gullies and nasty areas and falling into the hill. On the "improver" type of falls have skied a lot more bumps and came a cropper a lot but make a bit of progress.
Ive noticed that now in variables on easier terrain i ski a lot faster and dont just pick my way down slowly in control as before.
One definition of true expert is someone who pushes the envelope, always seems to be about to crash but is constantly recovering well...
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What about if you only fall over when you come to a stop? 
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You know it makes sense.
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Timmaah, yaayyy, I do that all the time! It's a funny sensation of thinking you're still moving, which unbalances you. Or something.
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Kramer, I was only thinking the same think myself last year, have a lesson with Euan 
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Poster: A snowHead
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Funnily enough, I've just remembered when my last fall was, and that was the last EoSB on the off piste day, when I hit some unseen rocks.
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snowball, my experience exactly.
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I find that the biggest problem with only falling over now and again is that it is a bit of a shock to the system because it tends to happen when you least expect it. The last fall I had was one where I even had time to think this is going to hurt before I hit the ground.
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riverman, Had one of those about 2 hours ago. During our lunchtime ski session I went a little to quickly off a hip on a piste; combination of much bigger air and steeper drop off than expected gave me enough time to realise it was gonna hurt. Having said that once it was a massive buzz, almost worth doing again 
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I always think the worst fall is when you half recover and for a split second think you are ok, then catch a edge and wipe out, you always have just enough time to think that this is going to hurt
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ajbaldwin, what about when one ski comes off and you ski on on the other one with long enough to think - how do I stop, i'm going to crash: CRASH! (Or occasionally on piste you actually turn and lose some speed before you crash)
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One fall this season worth remembering.
Coming along a cat track after a powder run. The track itself was about 30cm of fresh powder, but with a clear set of ski tracks that everyone was using to get along the flatter section. I'm coming along towards the flatter section following the tracks, when I notice a guy coming down a run from the side toward the track. He's going fast, but "out-of-control" fast, not "good skiing" fast. I know that once he gets to the bottom, he's going to be heading either straight for me, or will come to a halt just in front of me, where I won't be able to stop.
So, I decide to turn out of the tracks into the powder.
I avoided the guy, but that was cause he wiped out at the bottom of the run. That's what I wanted to do.
What I didn't want to do was go over the front of my skis, and belly flop into the snow. My legs were pointing in opposite directions. I was concerned that I'd maybe damaged something.
Eventually, with Nells' help, I got up, dusted myself down, and skiied down to a hot chocolate/naproxen break.
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Is there a conclusion here that if you are not falling, you are not skiing interesting enough snow/terrain?
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stoatsbrother, I certainly have no desire to fall. There are to many bits that are almost broken.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Hmm I had more falls the other week in Laax than in the last 2 seasons put together. Most were pushing the skill envelope on crusty stuff (as well documented on BZK) but one the snow snakes just got me and ended up with a full yard sale
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Agenterre, not even sure you can be that certain...
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You know it makes sense.
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I fell more this last time out (with Rob@rar) than I have done for many year.
Of course, I had just bought a helmet...
(I'll get me coat)
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stoatsbrother, 
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Kitty, is your 'residual haematoma' a hard lump on your leg that won't go away.
I have one on my shin after falling off the toilet (whilst changing a light bulb  ).
I was wondering whether it would ever disappear!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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mosh, i think you were pushing too hard! 
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Every time I do fall over it f***ing hurts - so I really try not to do it!
Fell over in the Arcs snow park last week- never been in one before- tried some rails sideways- forgot to straighten up before landing- out of skis- shoulder pranged (acromioclavicular ligament I think- I'll live)
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I only fell twice last year - this year I lost count!! Somehow it doesn't sound like progress.
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edsilva, Megamum, more pushing, more falling more, more, more... Did you think skiing was just about cruising around safely and in control, having fun? shame on you...
push-fall-push-fall and don't stop til you've bust summat
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stoatsbrother, snowball, agreed.... unseen rocks which rip the ski off or just plain iffy snow which grabs very quickly and unexpectedly. Plus the speed required to gun some of these things makes falling a risk.
Of course, there are some places where a fall will really do some damage so safety first bomb-proof turn here..
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| snowball wrote: |
| ajbaldwin, what about when one ski comes off and you ski on on the other one with long enough to think - how do I stop, i'm going to crash: CRASH! (Or occasionally on piste you actually turn and lose some speed before you crash) |
That sounds like you have significant experience of it. Which probably means your bindings are set too low, because you should not be pre-releasing very often at all.
As you probably realise from having that type of crash, pre-release can be almost as bad as not releasing quite quickly enough when it should.
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| Megamum wrote: |
| I only fell twice last year - this year I lost count!! Somehow it doesn't sound like progress. |
It probably is.
The point is not that you fall more when you get better, but that the process of improving usually results in falls as you are going beyond what you can do comfortably.
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I wouldn't worry about it. Consider it a sign of good technique. But if you never crap yourself either, that's when you're not pushing your limits.
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Oh yes, and on hidden cat tracks 
Anything but .. I think we've had loads of stuff put forward ... but little to support 
