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If I don't fall, am I pushing myself hard enough?

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Something that I've been thinking about for a few months now, is that I don't seem to fall when skiing anymore. I do seem to be pushing myself, going off piste, and skiing in variable conditions, but I honestly can't remember the last time that I fell over.

Is this a normal stage to reach, or is it just a symptom that I'm not pushing myself enough?
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Kramer wrote:
I'm not pushing myself enough?


No you're not. Get someone to push you over.
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Kramer, you could just be an amazing skier wink
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Talk about tempting fate Shocked it's why I've avoided posting the same thing Very Happy
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I don't fall on family holidays - even skiing pretty tough stuff (double blacks in powder etc). However speed, steeps, trees and variable snow ( ie power to windpack transitions) make me fall sometimes. However I have seen physically strong but agricultural skiers who can ski this stuff all day with no style and no falls (I am not saying this is you).

no falls no balls wink IMHO.
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Kramer wrote:
I honestly can't remember the last time that I fell over.


If it wasn't memorable, it wasn't worth falling over.
I fell off a ladder a few months ago. That was memorable, in the A&E at UCH!

Apparently, a recent medical study concluded that falling over causes injury and that the risk of skiing injuries is significantly reduced by not falling over. However, as stoatsbrother has pointed out, there is a risk of testicle loss by not falling over.
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Kramer, I can only echo stoatsbrother, NO Falls NO Balls, you ain't trying Laughing
PS. Like the rest of us you are getting old!

the best skier I ski with - ntfarmer. Fell 3 times today (OK once was off a stool spraying me wth Lager) Laughing


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Kramer, No, you're just getting older & your sense of self-preservation is kicking in Toofy Grin Toofy Grin
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stoatsbrother,
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no falls no balls

I fall a lot. Should I be worried? Shocked
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My last proper fall was 3 years ago in Fernie, (I'm not counting the headplant at MK when I was ski testing some stupid snowblade things). I was going ballistic, it was the full on Yard Sale. Just seem to have escaped the falls recently, though come close a few times.
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Hurtle only by your inability to recognise a false syllogism... wink

Seriously - can one say of a female skier that she "really has ovaries"?

And middle-aged female skiers are the group with the knee injury rate. So yes - be scared, be very scared... Toofy Grin
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Spyderman, I guess lots of time on plastic is a major discouragement to falling. (I broke a hand at Hemel many many years ago...)
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Kramer, I noticed towards the end of last season that I hadn't fallen over in off-piste for over a month - whereas I used to fall over 2-3 times a day minimum. The thing I noticed is that I'd become very good at recovering from things that would have previously had me in a heap. So, not only had my skiing improved, but also my internal gyroscope. I've had four falls on alpine kit this season - all in one day and within an hour of each other.

If you want to fall over more then you should take up telemarking. I fall over doing that once or twice every five minutes. I hadn't realised how many extra ways there were to fall over until I stuck telemark skis on.

Hurtle - that'll explain your deep voice and the beard Wink
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stoatsbrother, Falling on Plastic does smart a bit. Laughing
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Kramer, I don't think not falling is a result of an individual not pushing themselves... I rarely fall these days, but not necessarily because of any increase in ability or lack of desire to improve. Most of the time these days I can recover and save myself before a snow inspection, or actually not get myself into a position where I'm likely to fall in the first place. I did have an absolute pearler recently in Soll though, gentle gradient, hero snow, but I caught an edge and had a total yard sale...... Cool
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I have said that if you dont fall over your not trying hand enough for the last 15yr. BS can confirm.

But i think know that as you get older as was said above self presvation come in to effect.

This can only be proven by the crash i sure to day by a young man.
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stoatsbrother, oh dear, I shouldn't have asked...
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stoatsbrother, Falling on Plastic does smart a bit. Laughing


Understatement of the snowHead year
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PhillipStanton wrote:
The thing I noticed is that I'd become very good at recovering from things that would have previously had me in a heap.

Me nods and waves back. Very Happy I've become quite good at pulling some spectacular 'wheelies' when I've caught myself out on a bump/slope change and found myself too far back on my (short) skis, always managed to land them so far...
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Think I had 1 fall all last season. This season had 2 on the glacier ice at PSB on the first morning (being in the back seat), none at xmas, and 2 in Austria the other week, 1 a 3/4 forward somersault when I had my weight much too far forward on a jump in Saalbach, and one being stood stationery in Flachau, leaning on my pole resting when FenlandSkier skied past and whacked my pole from under me, the little poo-poo Wink
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Kramer wrote:
but I honestly can't remember the last time that I fell over.

Is this a normal stage to reach, or is it just a symptom that I have.................
early onset of Alzheimers? wink
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And the last two were hilarious! Laughing Laughing Laughing

Oh, and if you fall and no one can hear you...do you make a sound ? Wink
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Bought new boots last week which seemed to renew my ability to fall on demand or at any particular unexpected part of the run particularly in front of the locals. This generally leads to various comments aimed at the English. Wasn't going to explain the difference at the time, too much snow in my face.
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Kramer, why push yourself Puzzled are you enjoying your skiing?

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I haven't fallen on piste for a long time but I have to make lots of recoveries, some big, some small, some, quite frankly, seem to be the result of divine intervention. If you're not falling and you're not having to make recoveries you're probably skiing well inside your envelope - nothing wrong with that, but if you are looking to improve you should thing about pushing a bit harder from time to time. I've skied with Kramer a little bit and I think he has the technique to push harder without becoming a danger to himself or others.
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rob@rar, I guess 'pushing' means different things for different people. For Kramer and you, it probably means trying to go faster, since you can ski all conditions and most gradients. Whereas for the majority of incompetent intermediates like me, it probably means having the guts to tackle something more difficult, be it steeper, deeper or bumpier.
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I have plenty of near misses, but always manage to recover them, I've no idea how. Funnily enough, they don't tend to happen on the more severe terrain, but more when I'm not paying attention on the easier stuff.

I've not been in the park since the last EoSB, perhaps I should go and hurt myself there.

red 27, I push myself because I enjoy it.
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Hurtle, all things are relative, of course, but it's not always about speed. I will often spend a few hours doing a particular drill or a practising something like focusing on doing clean, quick transitions, driving my tips down into the trough in bump fields, keeping square to my skis in long radius turns, reducing tip lead, or getting a plough-parallel right to use just a few examples from the last couple of trips. None of those are necessarily about going quickly, but if you set a high standard of performance it will require you to push yourself to do things well. Of course, there's nothing wrong with skiing eye-wateringly fast from time to time either Wink


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rob@rar, funnily enough I do think that I need to go harder and faster on the piste.
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Kramer wrote:
red 27, I push myself because I enjoy it.


So have you've not been enjoying your skiing?
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Kramer wrote:
I have plenty of near misses, but always manage to recover them, I've no idea how.

In that case I don't think there's a problem. The ability to recover from all sorts of bad stuff indicates a good level of skill in my book. I'm very happy that I don't often fall over when skiing on piste - the last time I did I seriously scared myself and hurt for the rest of the week.
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Kramer wrote:
and through the gates. wink


Do it Wink
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red 27, of course I have, but it becomes more of a pleasurable experience than a thrill. To get the rush, I have to push the envelope.
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Kramer, Are you now skiing in places where fall would be nasty? I tend not to fall on the steep slopes with rocks below - but have recently fallen on the easyest blue run on the mountain (I have no idea why i fell just did) a blue when I ran into a snow drift I didn't see and a red run when stopping (twice) Thats 15 days skiing this season and 4 falls.
I don't think I've fallen at all when "off piste" this season but have had plenty of whhhhooooo moments.
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II, I am starting to ski in a few places where it's quite important not to fall, but not all the time.
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Kramer, I think I see what you mean, but is it not an intuitive thing? You'll do what's best / most enjoyable on the day without needing to nag yourself into it?

Just thinking out loud.... Smile Maybe some lessons would help you get out of the rut / off the plateau - if that's maybe what it is?
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I have just returned from Are in Sweden. First day I found a nice set of moguls next to a red, they were a bit icy near the steeper bottom section so I took a good tumble and slid 50m on my side spinning like a top... all directly under the chair lift full of laughing folk Smile Turned out it was the black mogul run after checking the map... ooops. Also was caught on video attempting to clear a tabletop jump, not quite making it and bouncing off the top only to land bum first right off the other side. Factor in some high speed piste wipeouts demo'ing big fat skis, a couple of falls on the closed black slalom run (made up of frozen tracks and ruts from bashers), a few snow snakes in the off piste crud and my total must have been well into double figues for the week.

Come on Kramer... I can't do all the comedy value on my own Toofy Grin
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Kramer, Sadly we learnt the 'one more run' story this year.

Man goes skiing with Esprit to Les Arcs in January this year, they stay in Peisey. He takes his twin daughters (8 years old) while his wife flies to America to see her sick mother. On second day he gets to the Vallandry chair in Peisey and says that was great, lets have one more run. As he gets back to the bottom of the run he falls and breaks his leg very badly. Esprit get him to hospital and one of the Espirt nannys minds his kids for the week, even sleeping in their room wiht them.

On cutover date the wife arrived in Chambery, via Gatwick from Pennsylvania. He got flown out 4 days later.

Motto of the story was never ask if you should fall more and never do the extra run or at least never say it. Skullie Skullie
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red 27, it's not really a rut or a plateau, I'm doing more and more each time I go skiing, it's just that I'm not falling any more, and I'm unsure whether that's a good or a bad thing.
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