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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Boris, I bought the Volkl Arenas this year. They are fantastic carvers, good in the bumps (I'm only a novice at this though) and I did a little off-piste. They have an excellent edge hold and are really fun.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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sounds like some demoing should be done on the next family trip 
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Dynastar Legend Powder Plus... if she is keen
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Dynastar Exclusive Legend (more off-piste)or Head Supershape Magnum (little bit of off-piste)
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monster77
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The super shapes are fine off piste, P has had no trouble with them. Our last 2 trips have seen bug all piste work 
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I think Mrs Boris best rent&test different skis geared for mostly on piste use considering the profile of the Mrs by Mr Boris...
Don't think the 50/50 on-off piste suggestions would be that suitable for the Mrs
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MrsPhillipStanton loves her Volkl Attivas. Shed loads of edge hold. Wide enough underfoot for off-piste excursions. Good in the bumps.
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Boris, Many rental places allow you to swap skis as you please, so one of those with a good range of skis will suit the Mrs well.
Here in Wengen/Central Sport you get discounted the rental fee when you buy, but the equipment runs at quite a steep price... at least until after the holidays.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Boris, I love my R ossignol Attraxion 3's
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I'm reading this with interest, as I need to replace my (stolen) Elan Wave Magics. I am pretty close to the profile of Mrs Boris, except considerably older (the bad news) and non-nagging husband (the good, but he has other faults....). The new Wave Magics have such awful little blue flowers.... but I did like them very much.
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You know it makes sense.
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PhillipStanton, is that the Attiva 4*? I find the names of the Volkl skis a bit confusing, though I've had a couple of pairs in the past, and liked them.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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pam w - MrsPhillipStanton tried the whole range of Attivas - the S4, S3 and basic Attivas. She settled on the basic ones - which I'm pretty sure are the equivalent of the current Oceana. Strictly speaking they were below her skiing level, but she's relatively light and not a particularly aggressive skier (well, she wasn't at the time - she's getting more aggressive now).
The skis have helped her develop much more as a skier than her Scott Aztecs.
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Poster: A snowHead
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PhillipStanton, thanks, I'll see what I can find at a bargain price.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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p.s.they can be skied as aggressively (or not) as you like, even though they're marketed as advanced skis.
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pam w - it's the time of year for bargains.
MrsPhillipStanton had all sorts of problems finding Volkls last season, but they seem to be much more widely available this year. Which means there'll be a bargain to be had somewhere.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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The volkl arenas that have been mentioned are a great choice for the demo list, but I'd add a few skis that are a tad wider in the waist. Something that will give good edge grip and inspire confidence.
A few that come to mind are...........
Nordica Olympia Victory 74 in the waist in 08 but 78 in 09.
The volkl Auroras
If you want to get really daring, go for something like the Nordica Olympia Conquer or Elan Wave Spice
Both of which are in the midfat range and really lend to some carving mixed with crud busting and playful grins!
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Last edited by You'll need to Register first of course. on Thu 21-02-08 20:53; edited 1 time in total
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SnowHot, Do you think that for an on-piste ski that a narrower waisted ski is a better 'gaining skills' ski ? The Arena has a 69mm waist. The Burnin' Luv has a 69mm waist as well and is (for some) a good all mountain ski. I don't understand the wider ski following. I think I should try some.
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erica2004, a lot of the midfats (something in the mid to high 70's) are better for stability and for working on skills.
A ski in the 69-70 range tends to be more of a hypercarver and thus, does the turning for the skier(to an extent).
When you get into the mid70's the ski tends to have less of a sidecut and allows the skier to hone his/her skills, and really take skiing to the next level. And will take Mrs Boris into the tougher stuff as she advances, which we all know she will when she gets the new skis.
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I was doing some drills this year to really get the "flex" out of my boot and ski. When I was beginning my drills, I did it on my Wave spice (80waist), really got the hang of it, got my speed up and my skis more parallel. When I did this same thing on my Nordica FireFox (70waist) the turn initiation was like someone put me in a sling shot. It was a rip and I loved how quick I turned on them, but I don't think my personal skills would have improved as well.
When I'm on the groomers, give me a skinny ski.
When I'm working on taking my skiing to the next level, give me a midfat.
When I'm in the bumps and steeps, give me a mid fat or fat ski.
*I'd like to post a disclaimer that I'm a gear ho, and am probably an extremist when it comes to ski gear.
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I'd agree with other snowheads and say it's best that she demos others.
Then she might find one that doesn't nag so much. 
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| DB wrote: |
I'd agree with other snowheads and say it's best that she demos others.
Then she might find one that doesn't nag so much. |
I agree totally.
No one knows what will make her grin, but we love helping out with a demo list!!!
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| SnowHot wrote: |
| No one knows what will make her grin, but we love helping out with a demo list!!! |
Newer model? Longer? stiffer? wider? plenty of feel in the bumps? waxed? good in the rough? the list goes on .........
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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You know it makes sense.
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SnowHot, I don't think I can agree with you there. I would have thought that a ski that rewards good technique is a 'teaching ski'. From what you say it sounds like a person would have to work harder with fattish skis than with on piste skis. This may be ok for an advanced skier, but not an intermediate. I don't think you can describe piste skis as 'hyper-carvers' - I think your post shows that fat skis aren't such good carvers. And they aren't supposed to be , are they? And Mrs.Boris's brief is for a ski for 'mainly on piste'. I just find it odd that everyone jumps in and suggests that she buys off piste skis. 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I agree with you erica2004.
On my BASI 3 last season most people arrived on mid-fats and left on piste-oriented skis. IMHO mid-fats aren't developmental in the same way.
But we're all entitled to our opinions. And MrsBoris should be encouraged to try different things.
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Poster: A snowHead
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erica2004, The ski I most strongly suggested was the Victory, which is 74in the waist. Hardly a fatt-ish ski.
If you notice in my post, I didn't suggest that any of these would be idea for her, but instead suggested that she include them in her demo list.
I think most people are shocked at how much fun a midfat (80's ish in the waist) is as a carver.
IMO, no one should buy a ski without demo'ing if it is possible.
Threads like this should be to form a demo list, not to go out and buy.
On rare occasions, such as the bargains of the spring/summer, when many bought their elan deals(such as megamum) I suggest that you snatch up a deal on a great ski when you have a chance, even if you don't have a chance to demo.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| SnowHot wrote: |
| 74in waist |
Gosh! I'd call that super-fat
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I suggest that you snatch up a deal on a great ski when you have a chance, even if you don't have a chance to demo.
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Yes, I did that, and was delighted with the skis after our first day or so together. But I wouldn't have had a clue whether I liked them or not if I'd just had them for a day. It took a little longer to fall in love with them. I suspect that normal, ordinary, everyday skis are all pretty good these days and that most normal, ordinary, everyday skiers can get on with them just fine if they persist. For real twitchy expert gear-heads there's plenty to argue about, just as there is with any kind of equipment.
But I can't wait till the end of season sales - I have another 6 weeks skiing to get in!
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Hi, in resort now but leaving lunchtime so might be too late but......
my spec is same as Mrs Boris, am looking to get some ex rental Volkls if deal right. Have tried Volkl Attiva R1 over last three days and really liked them. Saw some Volkl Attiva RT's in shop too, came home to look up info but cannot seem to find anything anywhere! Any advice welcome 
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Mrs S matches a similar profile as well, and became convinced on the last trip that she needed new skis (while skiing her old Rossi beginner skis), mainly by me raving about the difference my new Atomic Metron 10s made to my skiing.
The "hire before you buy" idea never works, as at none of the resorts we have been to this year have had any "shorlisted" skis been available to rent.
So - when I saw a pair of Atomic Foxy Mamas (the women's version of the metron) on sale at Filarinskis for £207 it was too good to miss! She hasn't skied them yet, but is happy to admire them as they match her Lange boots, and are feminine but too girly. On a pratical level, at 74 underfoot, and 124 tips they should be good on piste, and OK for a bit off as well. If my Metron 10s are any clue they will turn really well - a radius of 11.5m in 157.
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| Boris wrote: |
Mainly piste skiing, odd bit of the edge or between pistes
Confident on groomed reds
Will tackle bumps and blacks when required
40 yrs old
good level of fitness
nagging husband |
I'm also surprised about the number of recommendations for mid-fats / powder skis. For the above criteria, it seems to me like a more piste oriented ski would be more fun. How about K2 Burnin Luvs, Fischer Vision Breeze or Vapor, Head Every Thang? Those type of skis are also fine for the odd foray off the side of pistes etc.
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