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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Dynastar Legends!!! (I really MUST get round to putting these on eBay.  )
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Stoeckli Stormrider XL (any variant except L), should be er..., sufficient to cope with gentle piste skiing 
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Sparks are fantastic. I'd really recommend trying a pair if you can manage to get hold of them. Or go wider and look at the Gladiators.
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Ronald,
Nordica Supercharger Enforcer; 135-98-125, 19m radius @ 177
Volkl Mantra; 133-96-116, 20.3m radius @ 177
Volkl Bridge 130-92-112, 19.9m radius @ 177
Black Crow Navis; 133-103-124, 23m @ 186
Dynastar Legend Pro Rider;
The Head and Stoeckli are both under 80mm in the waist, these aren't really all mountain or powder skis. We don't stock anything under 80mm in the waist as we believe this is the minimum required to offer sufficient flotation in deep snow. I ski the Nordica Enforcer as an all-round ski, with a a bias towards off-piste/powder. At 98mm in the waist it's got plenty of float but with a fairly aggressive sidecut the turn radius of 19m means its pretty playfull on piste.
A lot of people, particularly Brits, are still put-off by 'wide' skis. It's the shape of the ski that is more important when considering it's versatility. The modern carving style of skiing doesn't require such rapid edge-to-edge changes so wider skis do not limit on-piste performance.
Go bigger!!!! 
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What loads of others are saying. Go fater. Of all the skis mentioned here I'd say the Mantras or Bridges for an all mountain. If you're spending more time off piste than on go 95mm+
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| NAKEDZOOKEEPER wrote: |
Ronald,
The Head and Stoeckli are both under 80mm in the waist, these aren't really all mountain or powder skis.
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Incorrect. These stats are taken from
http://en.stoeckli.ch/main/skis/collection/freeride/
Stormrider XXXL 122-88-111
Stormrider XXL 122-80-108
The fact that you believe that the Stoeckli Stormrider (any variant except L) is'nt an all mountain ski well suited to anything, does not change the facts. Based on your trade experience, perhaps you are suggesting that the manufacturer has made an error on their website.
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Snowbunny I think NZK was talking about about the Stoeckli rotor 76 as mentioned by the op...[/b]
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Ronald, Movement Sparks all the way. I got a pair this time last year and have never looked back. I find they handle brilliantly on pistes, and I have been skiing with mountain guides in Cham who ski on them which should be 'nuff said as far as off piste credentials go. I think the big tester for any allmountain ski is how well they handle variable/difficult off piste conditions, and I find the sparks handle this type of skiing better than any other type of ski i've tried.
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I like Sparks and they are ALL mountain. I like Mantras as well but haven't been on this seasons.
I haven't found the Enforcer yet but that was on my list. You need to be pretty agreesive on the above, IMV or you are just letting their best pass you by. I would say the Spark tramps through snow very well, holds on ice very well, but I would just like it to have a few more MM's in the waist.. If it could do that and be the same ski, I'd be able to take it very fast through anything. The only thing it loses to the Mantra is float in the deep stuff( knee high )...which is expected, but it is a great all round mountain ski IMO. The Mantra probably doesn't quite have the edge of the Spark...( the Spark is special here ) but just shades it for me
The X wing Fury is pretty good but doesn't suit me as well as the Mantra or Spark but if you fancy a less tuned ride, then look at the Fury
Mystic Rider..??
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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BTW... should I consider one of those touring bindings for when I'd go real crazy, or just go with normal style bindings?
Collegue just got a pair of Diamir mounted on her Sparks because she wants to go touring in March?
Drawbacks? advantages?
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Ronald, Head Monster 78s are a little narrow in the deep stuff and certainly ski "narrower" than my Scotts which are the same width. The M82/M88 would be better. Skied M82s and they're stiff, fast and stable all over the hill. Love em.
snowbunny, ain't the XL only (  ) 74mm at the waist or have they made it wider now...
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You know it makes sense.
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I've got a pair of Stormrider XL Offroad's 184cm and they're 75mm underfoot, Kitty has a pair @ 164cm and they're 75mm also. They're fantastic and will go anywhere at any speed. 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Seths don't seem to get much of a shout on here - I think they're a great allmountain ski. Line Prophet 90s might suit you too - quite stiff and chargey but not too OTT.
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Stockli seem to acknowledge their XL is now too thin so have beefed up the range. I used to be such a fan but now take the Spark instead. Both rail hardpack and are good OP.... but the wider waist makes fast GS turns more stable IMV ..
Both makers make great skis, IMV
The Head 82 is supposed to be up there as a good all-rounder as is the 88. I would look at them as well.
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Sharkymark, If you fancy testing some, then take a long weekend to a Swiss ski resort, several of them have dedicated Stoeckli hire centres, like this one:
http://en.stoeckli.ch/main/locations/engelberg/
The website used to list Test Centres as well, but I'm not seeing this option now 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Maybe the powder is lighter over in BC (?) but Head Monsters, especially the iM82 are considered one of THE best all-mountain skis out there. Monsters ski very well on piste and hold their own in powder. Can't say I have any complaints. Anything much wider than that is not really much of an all-rounder is it?
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uktrailmonster, I like the IM82, but add something steep and a tad of speed and they groan like my Granny. Volkl AC40 has the same/similar dimensions but alows the possibility of using the sidecut better on the piste. Volkl Bridge has to be the best allround ski on the market, weight, shape, lengths, stiffness. You said anything wider is not an allrounder? I'm puzzeled. Radius adds piste performance and as no one skis with there knees together these days, edge to edge speed is somewhat of a falicy, therefore how does a ski being narrower help it be an allrounder?
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| uktrailmonster wrote: |
| Maybe the powder is lighter over in BC (?) but Head Monsters, especially the iM82 are considered one of THE best all-mountain skis out there. Monsters ski very well on piste and hold their own in powder. Can't say I have any complaints. Anything much wider than that is not really much of an all-rounder is it? |
From my experience the IM82 is very popular with instructors and racers etc in Canada. The most popular ski among the general (non tourist) public seems to be the old Volkl Explosiv.
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| SMALLZOOKEEPER wrote: |
| but add something steep and a tad of speed and they groan like my Granny. Volkl AC40 has the same/similar dimensions but alows the possibility of using the sidecut better on the piste. Volkl Bridge has to be the best allround ski on the market, weight, shape, lengths, stiffness. You said anything wider is not an allrounder? I'm puzzeled. Radius adds piste performance and as no one skis with there knees together these days, edge to edge speed is somewhat of a falicy, therefore how does a ski being narrower help it be an allrounder? |
I guess I haven't been fast or steep enough yet?
I like Volkl skis a lot, but AC40s are not good at all in bumps. I find the iM82s a bit more versatile.
Fat skis are heavier skis and less stiff torsionally, it's not just the edge-to-edge speed that makes them feel unresponsive on piste. I grew up on slalom and GS race skis and still get a kick out of such skis now, although they're not allrounders either. They don't seem to be getting much wider either.
I don't have a problem with wider skis for use in deep powder, but on piste they don't do anything for me at all.
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fatbob, the RCR in Fernie have the Monster range as their premium hire this season. I saw loads of people skiing the iM82s. I only needed the 77s for an hour or two (DaveC knows why  ) and they were out of M82s so I had to take 'em...
May well hire a pair for a day this time round...
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For long carved arcs you indeed don't need quick edge-to-edge performance, and as long as the ski will cut and stay put.
If a 100mm ski does that, you (and I) can carve long arcs on it, no problem. Skidded swiss class 3-4 turns, almost any ski will do that.
However, I do more things on piste then carve long arcs. Things were the Volkl Allstar starts to jump and bounce and flap around, its too soft to hold me in really aggressive short-turn skiing on hardpack. I'd be truly suprised if any of the 80+mm skis mentioned in this topic would beat the Allstar in this specific style of skiing.
The good thing, i don't expect the ski i'm looking for to be a one ski-quiver solution for me.
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uktrailmonster,
A pair of K2 Coomba vs a pair of Dobermman SL's? Guess the weight.
Torsionally? OK a pair of PRO Rider XXL vs your Monster Munch.
I love GS skis above everything else. It's February, i got kids in my teeth.
DaveC,
Anything over 111mm is a lost cause.
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SMALLZOOKEEPER, Yeah, whatever. You're right, everyone else is completely wrong as usual.
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uktrailmonster, Not who's right, just what's right. You stated, wide skis are heavier and less stiff torsionally, i gave you two examples of this not being true. It's my job to understand these things and feel the users of SH's don't need to be mislead. Sorry if that upset you. We regularly use 100mm plus skis for the piste although by preference we would take Race skis onto the piste as they carry speed alot better. This thread was about All mountain and Powder skis, to my mind that's around 90mm underfoot with a 19m radius. Then what would i know, i sell/test skis for a living.
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SMALLZOOKEEPER, just have uktrailmonster hold a pair of FIS racestock skis... or a pair of Atomic metrons with 2004 version neox mounted....
Those skis really dent your shoulder. I see no reason who a todays pair of 90mm skis should weigh more then those 2 I mentioned.
These days they can make skis that are very stiff on torsion, but fairly soft along the length... thats why these days a wide powder ski is usable for non-agressive on piste, if i'm correct Gotto love progress on ski technology.
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