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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Thank goodness they don't all try and post on here on a regular basis 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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By my back-envelope calculations, assuming those 8k are unique users, around 0.01% of the world's riders are SnowHeads members.
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You need to Login to know who's really who.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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davidof, 
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18 posts, per Snowhead, per day! Hits a million posts for Xmas
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Yep, 8000 registered, but less than 5% actually post. That's less than 0.75% of UK skiers and boarders that have registered and less than 0.0375% of them posting.
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Tim Brown, According to my figures (using the readily available stats on the board) 48.56821% (roughly) of snowheads have posted. Do you have more accurate information?
You go to four decimal places.........
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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Tim Brown, how many does fight club have?
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Chris Bish, LOL, you're counting people with multiple accounts and people who haven't posted for years.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And your figures are derived from....?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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The memberlist. 60% are on 1 or 0 posts and a great swath of the ones on 1 haven't posted for years. I'm even in the top 8% with a mere 1400 posts.
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I'm also using the generally accepted figure of 1.2million for the UK skiing and boarding population. To say that 0.0375% of that population post here is being generous, due to the none problem of multiple accounts and also the fact that many poster aren't from that population.
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You know it makes sense.
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Chris Bish, I think quite a lot depends on your definition of the word "posting". I took it to mean posted. Your definition is obviously not that.
"Years" as a term is also debateable. SnowHeads is only three years old. I know you used the plural, but the term is not too precise. eg Dinosaurs died out years ago. OR I haven't been to Kitzbuhel for years (not since 2004) Both true, but not very meaningful.
I would expect somebody who goes to 4 decimal places and claims to be one who "gives it to you straight" to be a little more, well, accurate.
What are you trying to say about us?
Let's have it straight...
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Chris Bish, because most people know that the site has only been in existence for 3.5 years, the context of the word 'years' is very clear.
But given the popularity of this site amongst its own 'members', I can understand why you are being so defensive. What is without doubt is that a great swath of the members don't post on this site.
It might be worth having accounts that deactivate after a 12-month period if not logged onto, so as to more accurately report the membership figure. An account that posted once, 3 years ago, and hasn't been used since, shouldn't be counted, should it?
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Poster: A snowHead
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lol
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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lol
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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With 23 posts, you'll be in the top 10% of posters. LOL indeed!
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| Tim Brown wrote: |
With 23 posts, you'll be in the top 10% of posters. LOL indeed! |
No I (sorry he) will need 44 posts to do that 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I'd be curious to know how many members pop in from time to time just to check out information, without ever hanging around to post. Certainly during the ski season proper, I'd expect to find a lot of that going on. Obviously during the summer months those members are going to visit less often - if at all.
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However one slices and dices it, much less than 1% of the UK and global ski population is a SnowHeads user.
Plenty of scope for growth.
SnowHeads should do a few surveys and trickle out the results in headline-grabbing press releases during the Fall. Drive some traffic to the site.
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| II wrote: |
| Tim Brown wrote: |
With 23 posts, you'll be in the top 10% of posters. LOL indeed! |
No I (sorry he) will need 44 posts to do that |
Yes indeed, a mere 44 posts ensures a place in the top 10%, some of whom haven't posted for over 12-months.
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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Hi Tim Brown - nice to see you back.
| Tim Brown wrote: |
| Yes indeed, a mere 44 posts ensures a place in the top 10%, some of whom haven't posted for over 12-months. |
Indeed. Although one could also say that about Ski Club site, where traffic is substantially lower than here at the moment.
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PhillipStanton, that's rather different. In fact it's not the same thing at all. The ski club don't claim that all their members post on the chat forum.
5,600 have made 3 or less posts on here. Anyone with 3 posts is in the top 30% though. LOL!
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Well seeing as I can't remember how many posts I've made, I think I'll make another one. Just so I'm in that 30%.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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oh, 31 posts, might as well do another one then. Just for good luck.
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I think I must be one of the highest posters on the Ski Club website, and I've been banned from it for years. I reckon I had over 100 posts on it.
Still, I know which site shows and allows the expression of opinion from a far greater percentage of the UK snowsports population. (clue: it's NOT run by Wombles)
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You know it makes sense.
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Does there HAVE to be so much anti SCGB chatroom sniping?????? Both sites have their place and suit different needs. Don't 'tar everyone wtih the same brush' I know the history but let's move on..... 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I don't know the history, is there anywhere I can read about it, or is it very hush hush?
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Tim Brown wrote: |
The ski club don't claim that all their members post on the chat forum.
5,600 have made 3 or less posts on here. Anyone with 3 posts is in the top 30% though. LOL! |
A good point. If your point is about active membership though then...
| Tim Brown wrote: |
| It might be worth having accounts that deactivate after a 12-month period if not logged onto, so as to more accurately report the membership figure. |
...it would be interesting to apply that sort of approach to the Ski Club as well Tim Brown. How would we count "active" members there?
In truth, all membership based organisations will have a very active core of members and a large rump of inactive members.
The more interesting thing to know for Snowheads would be how much of the membership visited the site within the last 9 months say (given the seasonal nature of the subject matter). And the interesting thing for the Ski Club would be to know how many members went on holidays or used the repping service, perhaps.
Like any organisation, s should be proud of identifying and celebrating milestones. Whether "8,000" members means anything more than the Ski Club's "30,000" members is, as you're rightly pointing out, a moot point and one which I largely agree with.
As a somewhat non-active Ski Club member, I do rather wish that they'd enthuse me more.
| Tim Brown wrote: |
| Yep, 8000 registered, but less than 5% actually post. That's less than 0.75% of UK skiers and boarders that have registered... |
Which, on the same basis, gives the Ski Club a "reach" of 2.8% of UK skiers and boarders. Hardly spectacular.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Is this developing into an argument already!
The words Snowheads and Ski Club in the same thread suggest to me it is
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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You need to Login to know who's really who.
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Has anyone got a link to this ski club ? Might check it out.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Wear The Fox Hat wrote: |
I think I must be one of the highest posters on the Ski Club website, and I've been banned from it for years. I reckon I had over 100 posts on it.
Still, I know which site shows and allows the expression of opinion from a far greater percentage of the UK snowsports population. (clue: it's NOT run by Wombles) |
Two points.
1. "allows" The last I checked, anyone could join and post on the SCGB forum. So that part of your statement is false.
2. "shows" you simply don't know the true number of UK skiers and boarders who post here. So that part is debatable.
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Smokin Joe, no links - they aren't interested in free internet discussion!
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Tim Brown, "allows" as in "freely allows" (hey, I can't even see my own posts on the other site)
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| Tim Brown wrote: |
PhillipStanton, bottom line is that there aren't 8000 people registered, just 8000 accounts. The SCGB report details the data for your interest in the skiing habits of members. As for the SCGB's reach, you should check ABCE:
http://www.abce.org.uk/cgi-bin/gen5?runprog=abce/abce&noc=y |
Err, not split hairs, but that would be 8,000 registered. By definition they had to register to get a user id. (Ok, that was splitting hairs.)
Thanks for the link - though that's an apple and bananas comparison - I'm sure that Snowheads could stump up some pretty decent visit and unique user stats.
My point is that, if we're comparing active membership bases then that is just what we should do. I've got no basis for saying so, but I'd be surprised if more than 10% of Ski Club members actually did anything actively with the club.
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Is this developing into an argument already!
The words Snowheads and Ski Club in the same thread suggest to me it is |
Not quite - although I'm sure Tim Brown and I could stump up for an argument if you fancy. It's just a discussion at the moment.
I think that Tim Brown and I fundamentally agree that 8,000 is an unreliable number. As is 30,000.
Smokin Joe - stick "www.skiclub.co.uk" into the search box in the top right - the URL doesn't work because of the way the page is being generated.
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Wear The Fox Hat, you can't counter the point about numbers of snowheads, so you kick out like a child at the old 'enemy'. You should post less and get out more, imo.
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| Tim Brown wrote: |
| Wear The Fox Hat, you can't counter the point about numbers of snowheads, so you kick out like a child at the old 'enemy'. You should post less and get out more, imo. |
So, is that a case of "If you can't win with statistics, switch to personal insults"?
I believe that if you were to measure the amount of activity on the snowHeads forum, and compare it to the ski club forum (i.e. like for like) you would be able to produce relevant results. Any other comparison is, in my opinion, invalid, simply due to the different natures of the organisations - one is an internet discussion forum, the other is a business that has a website.
Last edited by Ski the Net with snowHeads  on Mon 20-08-07 16:57; edited 1 time in total
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